Trump calls for 'war' against Mexican drug cartel 'monsters' after Americans murdered

OK. I don't doubt our ability to find them, but I doubt it's as clean as you are making it out to be is all. I mean, you don't think these guys know we have satellites? You don't think they know about drones? You don't think they've ever pulled off a crime in a car and how not to get followed back to their base? Do you still think their base is some opulent villa up in the hills? You play to many video games, dude. It's not that way in the real world. We can probably track down some if not all of the attackers. But what will that do? We kill them. So what? We just took some guys off someone's pay roll. Big deal. People are just commodities to the cartels, resources to be leveraged. They don't care about losses, even their leadership. They EXPECT it. They are largely psychopaths and that's part of the thrill the risk of losing your life.

Hurting them back feels good, but it doesn't solve any problem. Hurt them all you want, but mark my words, these tragedies will happen again if that's all you do.

 

Read a little about Juárez, and prolly a good place to start the cleansing

 

Poncho Villa and his troops entered the US, took over a town and tortured mutilated and murdered US citizens.
General "Black Jack" Pershing took the US Army into Mexico to take Villa and his troops down and failed.

 

It's ironic that you stopped being honest right after you said "let's be honest."

You want to arm every Mexican citizen? So they will fight the cartel? OK, good luck. I mean I won't stop you, but I will laugh at the notion that it will achieve anything. Mexicans already have the right to bear arms, it's article 10 in their constitution. Did you know they had a constitution? Let's be honest, you didn't. More over, armed people get killed all the time. Just ask soldiers and drug cartel members. So arming people won't guarantee anything. Especially since many Mexican households may already be armed. So whatever.

 

Cleansing? Who are we cleaning exactly?

 

So no avatar bet?

 

those that pretend the cartels don't exist or allow them to exist by doing nothing, are not innocent... besides lowering the population numbers isn't such a bad thing, come to think of it, napalm all of mexico & el salvador...

 

@Blaster3 No, sorry, I'm not a big fan of genocide, neither of a potential WW3. I don't care of some cartel members being shot.
Victory against cartel have to be won by any mean possible, they make too much people suffer with their tyranny, but I doubt that shooting like a lunatics or commiting a genocide is really a solution. To win against an ennemy, you have to break their will to live. Why cartel prosper ? Because drugs enable to get a lot of money. As long drugs would enable people to become filthy rich, you would have cartels.
So what's the solution to prevent people to become rich from drugs ?
_ Erase the demand. People would stop being dumbass and consume drugs would be from far the best solution, unfortunatly, if there is a plan for that, you should present it.
_ Or legalize and use martial force to dismantle.

@Ddyad Anyone invading a city and torturing people should be shot on sight or removed from society by any mean. I would agree on that.

 

Prohibition didnt work because people like to drink... Hard drugs are another matter.

 

What is the calculation on the human suffering by allowing Mexican drug cartels to run the country?

Vietnam was lost because we were not allowed to fight the war to win.

Should we have left Nazi Germany in place?

 

legalizing drugs won't hurt the cartels... because they be capable of selling their supplies cheaper than anyone else, ergo, they'll eventually become the sole suppliers of drugs with a cartel stand on every street corner

 

They'll just find an equally lucrative replacement. Probably increase human trafficking or something.

 

Definitely more racist.

https://transferwise.com/us/blog/how-to-get-citizenship-in-mexico

We did kill nearly all their troops. Duh.

Oh I read plenty. Your analogy is an extremely poor one.

Of course killing them makes it go away. The only way to stop drug cartels is to make the con outweigh the pro.

Please continue your bleeding heat defense of people that shoot up infants, dismember people, and leave them hanging from overpasses. Bravo.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say the USG hasn't won a decisive unambiguous victory in war since 1945, but I will say war is Hell and we've spent the last 75 years trying to refine it. That's how you lose wars and get mixed results.

 

Legalize it. Grow your own. Weed out the cartel middle man. Problem solved.

 

Oh yeah?

EXACTLY, how does one "Grow their own" Cocaine?

 

I'm not sure, the mafia was considerably weakened after the end of the prohibition. By the way, they weren't dead yet, legalizing that wouldn't be the end of the fight, but it would be a significant victory. Considering the fact they would be able to sell cheaper, again, I doubt, to bring drugs cost a lot of money, and a lot of consummer would be prefer a clean drug that one composed of washing powder and used tires.

Yes, mexican drug cartels are an unbearable para-legal tyranny on many southern american and american citizens. I don't say they shouldn't be fight, but hoping to fight this war simply with bullets is naive. A long time ago, I red that american were great at winning battles, not winning war, and since the 50's and especially the 2000's it's damn true.
You win when your ennemy don't desire anymore to fight. Nazi Germany lost not only because they lost their will to fight, but also because of the Nuremberg process and because the USA and the USSR spend a lot in anti nazi cultural campaign.

What's the military success of the USA since recently ? War in Afghanistan ? You killed Bin Ladin, maybe, but the talibans are alive and well. Irak ? Can we consider that the rise of ISIS is a success ?
What's the main consequence of those wars ? That the USA ended with a tremendous debt and the death of dozen of thousand of patriots. Not any of those war made the USA more secured, at the opposite, it made it more fragile.

 

look at all the money the cartels would save, no more tunnels, no more submarines, no more racing boats, no more paying off authorities, all they'd have to do is truck it in at the border crossings, send it fedex, usps, ups... better yet sell it on amazon with free overnight shipping...

 

Nazi Germany lost because their last battalion of troops were children and old men.

Their fighting force was decimated.

The reason Donald Trump erased ISIS from the map was by changing the rules of engagement.

That's what we need here to take the cartels down.

 

Oh yeah. America's #1 recreational drug - marijuana - can be easily grown at home.

How does one "grow their own" Beer?

This may be news to you, but people have been growing, extracting, fermenting and synthesizing their own drugs for quite some time.

Ever watched "Hamilton's Pharmacopeia"? You'd be amazed at some of the **** people can make.

Of course, there's my point about eliminating the cartel middle man that you didn't address. Blaster says the cartels can produce some drugs cheaper than legal producers can and perhaps he's right, but in some cases they cannot.

PS. If you want to find out EXACTLY how to "grow your own" Cocaine there are recipes online. It looks pretty technical, but then again so is all-grain homebrewing.

 

Oh? Ok.

Here are some faqs you should know before trying to grow it:

1)You NEED a high elevation. Don’t expect to grow anything great if you don’t have that.
2)The germination rate is very low on non fresh seeds. You will be extremely lucky to get a 10/14 germination rate. Normal rate if probably around 6/14
3)Seeds are EXTREMELY expensive. The best deal i saw was $120 for 14 seeds
4)Seeds, cuttings, plant matter, etc are illegal to own in the US
5)The process of extracting the cocaine alkaloid is rather long and boring process. You have a high risk of harming your lungs in the conversion of the paste to the hydrochloride....hell in the entire process of making the paste to having the final product you risk hurting your lungs. Your going to need a hell of a filtration system if you plan on doing it indoors. Most coca farmers (i.e the cartels) have huge plantations in jungles. You will be using things like gasoline and sulfuric acid alot so be careful.

 

The leaders of these Drug Cartels normally like to live a life of luxury in homes that look like Palaces. Shouldn't be too hard for our intelligence to find those Villa's blow the **** out of them including everyone inside. They did it with Abu in Syria, they sure as hell can blow these Mother's back to the stone age in Mexico. Time to get DRACONIAN.

 

Yeah, I can see how that might be a problem for your health conscious coke addict.

They'd be be better off plucking a magic mushroom out of a pile of cow crap...

 

Why is that so foreign to you, that's just what we did to take this country and then defend it from the tyrannical British, right.. Like I say, the left are very good at making things worse, just like they are doing by allowing people to flee their country and take root in this country ILLEGALLY and then stand behind them, defend them and allow them to break our laws while sanctuary leftist stronghold protect them..

But OH-Noooo's the left will have none of the real solution to their "Mexican's" problem, liberation and the power to control their own country! Leftist ideology, simply do nothing if its hard..

So how's that for honesty

 

The last Mexican President was massively paid off by the Cartels, no reason to assume this one is any different.