Kicking Iago In The Teeth

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  1. ibshambat

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    There are any number of men out there who think that real men beat women down. The correct response is that real men love their daughters, their wives, their mothers, their grandmothers and their sisters and refuse to see them treated in this way. It takes absolutely nothing for a man to beat up on a woman, and any scoundrel can do that. It takes a lot more for a man to love a woman. The people whom these men are hurting the most are not the feminists but their daughters. They are leaving them prey to whatever scumbag would want to knock them around. And that is not the behavior of a real man.

    On Internet forum called alt.support.depression, two men have told me that I am a failure because my wife has left me. My response to these men: You are *******s, and you make the world a worse place. If a man is considered a failure because his wife has left him, then he will do everything in his power to keep her from leaving. This will include all sorts of corrupt, abusive and tyrannical behaviors. And – surprise surprise – what do I find in any number of men who have such beliefs.

    I have encountered, both in Russia and in Australia, an attitude that a woman would not respect you unless you control her. That may be the case with women who have no decency, such as Russian gold-diggers who marry mafia bosses for their money or horrible women who marry quiet kind-hearted men whom they know they can dominate, then turn their children and the community against these men. If you are with a woman who has no decency, the correct solution is to leave her. But I have seen this behavior used all the time against all sorts of women who do have decency; and they do not deserve this kind of treatment.

    These attitudes – and any number of related attitudes - are absolute poison. A man may genuinely love a woman, only to have his bar buddies or his family poison him against her. In most cases the perpetrators of this Iago act are male. They convince the man either that women are bad or that his partner is bad personally. They convince the man that he is being used, manipulated, exploited, betrayed, whatever, when he is in fact being genuinely loved. This can destroy even the most beautiful relationships. In some cases the Iagos are female. My sister had married a man whose mother then poisoned him against her. Luckily she had correct guidance from her brilliant and knowledgeable mother and was able to leave him before he did anything truly ugly to her.

    I am not exactly the macho type, but I can hold my own. I can do 200 fingertip pushups and have taken classes in martial arts. When some Muslim thugs kept intimidating my boss at a Lebanese food place because he was helping a Muslim woman to get a divorce from an Algerian wife-beater, I picked up a huge set of boxes bigger in size than my body and walked by them looking at them like I was going to kill them. More importantly I helped that woman to see through the manipulations that these people were using to keep her down. It takes much more courage to do that than it does to break the skull of one's wife, make constant death threats against her, or post slanders against people and litigate falsely against them.

    The men claiming the leadership of the male gender are the worst men to be found. They teach other men to be brutal and corrupt, and that influences even the better-natured men to act like jerks. Their main claim – that they owe it to the male gender to keep women down – is a pack of lies. Nothing is owed to a gender. Nothing was ever owed to a gender. Things are owed to people of both genders who have contributed in all sorts of ways, from business to science to raising children. And this is the case both with women and with men.

    Why on earth would any sane man consent to being represented by the worst men to be found? Why on earth would any sane man allow brutal scumbags to tell him what it means to be a man? Man must have courage to tell these people, How dare you claim to speak for me. How dare you tell me that I should be nasty to women I care about. How dare you try to turn me against someone I love.

    To the men caught in this whole hideous mess called the gender war: Think of your daughters. They are not Andrea Dworkin or Catherine McKinnon. They are your own flesh and blood. By all means go after the perpetrators of the monstrosity known as political correctness, but do not make the world worse for your own progeny. Your daughters deserve better than getting knocked around by some cretin. And that means, among other things, leading by example and refusing to do the same thing to your girlfriend or your wife.
     
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    Could it not be argued that the more appropriate course of action to ensuring daughters do not get knocked around by others, is to properly educate them not only in the art of fighting back, but also educate them in how to go about successfully fighting back?
     
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    That can be a good course of action. My former wife, who is very feminine, took classes in Ninja. One day she was vacationing with the children at a campground, and a bulky young man was making an ass of himself. So she wrestled him down to the ground and held him down for 10 minutes until security arrived. He got exactly what he deserved. I also know a black woman who was studying to be a policewoman, and I told her that she was exactly what the punks needed. If a white guy busts them they can say it's a white guy, and if a black guy busts them they can say he's an Oreo; but if a black woman of the kind they feel justified to beat up on busts them, they are getting precisely what they deserve.
     
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    This is fantasy. Men don't beat women down and the very rare few that do a really looked down on and usually get what they deserve.
     
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    Lol I wouldn't encourage women to take "ninja" and think they can fight back. Maybe it worked for the kid your wife wrestled.

    But if it were an actually vilont criminal, chances are her ninja skills would have got her stabbed, shot or badly beaten.


    I don't like how you are discriminating policemen/women. What does their race or sex have anything to do with their ability to carry out their job. It's an outdated and toxic way of thinking.
     
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    As opposed to exactly what as an alternative course of action? Quietly complying in the hopes of not angering the one that is attacking them?

    And yet it is a way of thinking that is still very much in place, and thus is current as a result. Denying it and calling it outdated does not serve to address the reality of the situation.
     
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    Exactly. One of the first things you learn as a boy is the holy rule of "do not hit girls" and pretending the norm and structure is the opposite is to live in La La Land.
     
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    There are always those trolls who like to provoke and suggest their own superiority. There are still a lot of men who believe they have to control women, but I see those kind of people as cowards. At the same time, I've noticed there are some women who are attracted to that kind of "I'm in charge" machismo. Even so, any male who bullies and harasses women is, in my opinion, trying to make up for a lack of masculinity elsewhere. Don't let them get to you.
     
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    So you're telling me I need to treat and view blacks differently to the rest of society?

    Sorry mate no can do. I'm not a racist.
     
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    How about running away and avoiding violence?? But yeah of course fighting is the vest last resort.

    Just because someone who has trained in "ninja" it doesn't mean it's effective. Most martial arts a pretty usless in a real world scenario, and someone who has gone a course for a few weeks, well, are pretty usless.

    It just gives people an over sence of confidence that will encourage women to potentialy enter life and death scenarios due to fantasy.

    If I were a mugger I would simply take her purse and move on. If she starts attacking me with her "ninja skills" I'm likely to respond by beating her to a pulp, or using a knife or a gun.

    I'm not against women fighters or learning to fight. I think it's an amazing SPORT to get into.

    But for the bullshit self defence its dumb. Training for an hour a few times a week does not mean you are capable of fighting potentially armed criminals as if you were Batman.
     
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    [QUOTE="Yant0s, post: 1071135004, member: 79269"I don't like how you are discriminating policemen/women. What does their race or sex have anything to do with their ability to carry out their job. It's an outdated and toxic way of thinking.[/QUOTE]

    No, I am saying that a black policewoman can be effective in ways that others aren't. Once again, if they get busted by a white cop they can say that it's the white man, and if they get busted by a male black cop they can say that he is an Oreo, but if they are getting busted by a black woman they are getting exactly what they deserve.
     
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    What are your trying to say?

    They were "busted" by the police. why does the arresting offices skin colour have anything to do with the arrest?
     
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    Once again, it's because of the implications. When a white cop busts them they can say he's white man, and when a black man busts them they can say that he's an Oreo. But when a black woman busts their ass, it is completely humiliating, and it is a humiliation that these people deserve.
     
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    Why do you find a black female cop humiliating?
     
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    What does this have to do with me? I said that this is humiliating to the punks that are being busted by the black woman instead of by the white man. They can excuse away when they get busted by a white man or a black man, but with woman they have no excuses. They largely think that they deserve to knock their black sisters around, so when a black sister is busting their ass they get exactly what they deserve.
     
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    You said it was humiliating to be arrested by a female black officer .

    I dont think most criminals are concerned by the gender or skin colour of the arresting officer. I think they are more concerned about being caught and going to jail.

    Also are you insinuating that most black men physically abuse women?

    And you refure to black men as "oreo's"???

    I can't help but sense there is both a little sexism and racism contained in your post.
     
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    Oh please. I don't refer to black men as Oreos; I say that, when a black punk gets caught by a black man, he could say that he is an Oreo.

    I am most certainly not insinuating that most black men physically abuse women; however many of the punk types do. So here is a black woman who busts the ass of one of these punks. What could conceivably more humiliating to a punk than that.
     
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    These imaginary "punks" are not real. It's you assuming it's humiliating to be arrested by a black women, black men beat women and black police are to be called Oreos.
     
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    Those "punks" most certainly are real. I am good friends with a number of black women, and they have bad things to say about how the punk types were treating them. I am saying that it would be humiliating for such people to be arrested by a black woman, because they appear to be of the conviction that they have the right to do what they want to do to their black girlfriends, and being busted by a black woman would hurt their pride, as it well should.
     

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