Assad - Trump Is America's Best President

In regards to the ME she is a pro Saudi propagandist. That is self evident. That is why she is here.

My guess is she is saudi or is employed by them.

Nothing wrong with that.

We believe in free speech although some dems dont think so. Generally those who yet to own a developed frontal lobe that isnt developed til age 25.

 

Imagine what the situation would be if the Hillary administration, in the other timeline fortunately averted by quantum displacement disruption, would be like?

1. Assad gone and ISIS in control of Syria, Iraq.
2. No restrictions on immigration to USA from Muslim terrorist countries
3. ISIS bombings all over USA because of increased numbers and easy entry into USA
4. collapse of USA economy as China trade policy not changed
5. No taxes lowered, only taxes raised.
6. Obama care expanded and more taxes on the middleclass who would be told:
"Get used to it" USA has seen its last days"

 

People in power seldom want to give it up. So no reason to expect Assad to be different than the Saudi royals .

Assad is your typical Muslim dictator. Which means brutal.

This area culturally are stuck in the 7th century. An anachronism in a modern secular world.

Imagine the Mayans or Aztecs surviving until today as a culture complete with human sacrifice by cutting out the heart with a chert blade to appease their 170 gods. A civilization where religious beliefs dictated govt.

 

Makes damn good sense

Venezuela is on top of the largest supply of oil in the world. Our thieving eyes are staring hard at this. For the developing world will need it .

Also keeping oil lower in price is needed to hurt any nation that relies upon nationalized oil to feed their huge number of poor citizens. And of course low oil hurts Russia a nation that must never be any kind of ally. What would the military industrial congressional complex do? Ike saw the consequences and warned the people. To no avail.

Between Gen. Butler and Ike, another wise Gen. we were well warned. And yet wisdom fell upon ignorant ears.

Kinda suspect how our invasion of Afghanistan brought the poppy back supplying high grade heroin for Europe and America! Supplying an opiate epidemic that includes masses of displaced working whites in the disemboweled towns that our globalist politicians created.

If you economocally destroy our working middle class you need a soma like drug to cover up the suffering created by greedy mass profits globalism .

And of course our CIA needs dark money , off the books with no accounting. Total secrecy. Cocaine provided that once and dark money is addictive. And it insures the CIA never has to tell what evil men do in our name.

The taliban should just allow for the poppies to be grown! The globslists and CIA needs the heroin.

 

Of course Assad is the lesser evil but what other alternative is there? The Syrians will have to figure out for themselves what to do, just like JFK said back in 1963, that the Vietnamese people must decide what they wanted to to do, and not American soldiers. JFK was assassinated about a month later after decrying the existence of CIA and suggesting he intended to scatter it to the winds, LBJ completely reversed JFK policy 3 days after becoming President, and the Deep state got its 3rd world conventional never ending war for profit in Vietnam.. Since then, the MIC deep state globalists have controlled every President since. Except for Trump. At least that appears to be the case at the current time. But who knows for sure?

 

Many times it appears you get all your information from Mossad or CIA...

 

Margot cut it out. I have a long memory and remember that we were paying Afghanistan to stop growing poppies and they complied at the time. That ended with the war.

 

Or maybe Saudi Arabia?

 

Assad is evil to Saudi Arabia who wants Syria under Wahhabi control with sharia law, and he's evil to Israel because of Syria's friendship with Iran. He's also evil to Turkey who wants to grab parts of Syria and restore the Ottoman Empire, and he is evil to the US, UK and France for not allowing a gas pipeline from Qatar that would cut into Russia's monopoly.

Who Assad is not evil to are the Syrian people and especially the Christians and other minorities he protects. They all love his inclusive and secular nation - and especially now that they had a taste of what Wahhabism and others are really like. This is what the Syrians are fighting for, and this is what 3 hundred thousand Syrians have died for.

I knew Syrians before the fighting and they raved about Assad and what he has done for Syria - which is really the reason we decided to destroy the country. The pity is that so many Christians have now left to escape the jihadists - as have others.

 

LOLOL.. Syria doesn't want anything except other countries to rebuilt the Syria he destroyed.

Taliban stopped the production of opium for religious reasons.

 

Oh then Assad destroyed his own country, it wasn't the terrorists supported by KSA, Qatar, US, Turkey, Israel, etc? Thanks for that brilliant information as well as the Taliban not getting paid to stop growing poppies. Strange how the religious reasons ended when we attacked.

 

With the current failure of the one-state solution within Lebanon, considerable, Syrian oil reserves that are not really competitive, mostly in Eastern Syria, the unrealistic and illogical repeal of the peace treaty with Iran by Trump, and the increasing reliance upon Russia of: Syria, Turkey, Venezuela, and even Germany, we are definitely in a whole lot of trouble; a conundrum, and in part, a paradox. It is true that Assad has received a lot of military support and political cover from Putin, and it is also true that Turkey, a part of NATO, and recently stronger ally of Russia, (that Russian jet shot down by Turkey, notwithstanding) and the increasingly scattered Kurds which at one time occupied 3-4 large landmasses, and are currently the largest displaced non-country men in the Middle East, are intensifying matters. By intensifying, I mean we are witnessing states within the Middle East receiving increased incentive to hate the US, to trade with Russia, and to increase their travel on the Geopolitical continuum further away from the negotiation table with Trump. Not to neglect my mentioning of Germany, with their automobile exports in free fall, their increased issues with unskilled immigrants, and heavier reliance upon Russia for energy needs, in an overspent green energy ecosystem, again, we see Russia not just getting 'a fair share' but rising more in terms of global influence than is in the US's best interests. Now while I applaud the idea of the US not trying to force regime change in every developing country, and we should find ways to reduce our own soldier casualties, we cannot, I think, ignore the resurgence of Russian power in the Middle East, and greater influence in the EU, (Germany is just one example) and we have a history of screwing over Latin American countries. It is not wrong to say by the US suppressing Venezuelan and Iranian exports, specifically oil, as discussed in this thread, helps to ephemerally control the loss of oil prices (keep prices higher, more stable, or at least drop slower and to a lesser degree) however, in so doing we are missing a much larger and long-term opportunity: with higher oil reserves in Venezuela than even Saudi Arabia (number 1, and number 2 countries for oil reserves, globally, respectively) and Iran, which by the way already has greater capability than the Western news tends to report or speculate on, which has a greater degree of willingness to negotiate and work with Western powers than FOX news, or Trump would have us believe. Rouhani is not Ahmadinejad, in that he is far more open to Democratic processes, he is not as open to false rhetoric, and while he is not as intelligent as Ahmadinejad, he is far from stupid. However, under Rouhani, social programs are being cut, and with the amplification of sanctions, the country needs new capital, and this is an excellent opportunity to renegotiate, and not because Obama's deal was bad, or that I think trump is on a good path, however, this kind of leverage could bring about a more agreeable deal for many years to come. I see Venezuela and Iran as a two-pronged strategy in the Middle East, and to stem Russian influence in the region; this can also free up new negotiation power for Syria, Turkey, and Iraq, but more on that later. This is a very synergistic and antagonistic system with many moving parts and interconnected networks. As far as Syria, the salience: we do not need their oil, but they have 2+ million barrels or so; we do not need to go to war with Turkey to get them to back off, Assad is a monster, but there needs to be a plan that makes a regime change worth it for: Syria, the US, and our main global partners, even where frictions exist.

 

I promise to narrow down to Syria via deduction, but I wanted to take some broad-strokes in regards to Syria, increasing Russian influence, and the interconnected issues of the US in the Middle East; a thesis of sorts.

 

Yes, he did.. In the first two years Assad dropped 4,000 barrel bombs on his people before anyone else got involved.

 

Turkey and Russia are partners in the pipeline businesss.

 

Yes, this is true, and Russia is partnered with Syria and reconstructing business more in its own image. Additionally, Russia is influential, in Middle Eastern affairs generally, well, it was prior to the Arab Spring uprisings.

 

Saudi Arab is wants absolutely nothing in Syria.

Turkey and Russia are in the pipeline to Europe together.

 

Well Saudi Arabia does have interests in Syria, but maybe not how some were saying:

https://www.mepc.org/journal/saudi-arabias-motives-syrian-civil-war

http://theconversation.com/syria-at...bes-will-deepen-the-countrys-divisions-119402

 

Their mother was Syrian.. and Hariri was like a brother.. otherwise Syria has nothing.

 

Syria is oil and mineral-rich, and one correction to my earlier post: over 2 billion barrels of petroleum reserves. Every country in the Middle East have things of value, but Syria is the only country in the Eastern Meditteranean with such rich crude oil compared with: Israel, Jordan, and Lebanon, but these aforementioned countries offer other things of value: Israel is a huge cybersecurity contributor, but NSO (an Israeli tech company) has been implicated in the use of its technology to hack WhatsApp and steal data from users mobile devices; even those who are not suspected of any form of terrorism or unusual activities... Jordan exports billions in phosphates, fertilizers, and textiles. Lebanon has a negative export economy due to its internal strife, and Syria's civil war.Syria has an estimated 1,700,000,000 tons of phosphate reserves. There is also the Iranian and Russian partnership with Syria:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-...a-random-partnership-or-an-enduring-alliance/

The conflict between secularism and Islamic rule will play out over time, between Iran and Russia.

 

@Jeannette: I agree with you when it comes to Assad being largely supported by Syria's religious minorities, including especially the Christian community in Syria, as well as how was and remains a much more humane and better choice for Syrians than of the alternatives before them. Which is why the people of Syria do largely support Assad, regardless of the propaganda against him and the fact that he certainly has his opponents too. But on several other issues you are simply wrong:

Simplistic, but true to the extent that Assad is evil to both Saudi Arabia and Israel because of his ties to Iran, the axis of resistance and Hezbollah.

Neo-Ottoman aspirations are part of the equation in Turkey, rekindled by the so-called "Arab Spring" which made the Turks think those aspiration were within their reach.
For Turkey, the Muslim Brotherhood (which the ruling party in Turkey traces its own roots to) was a good vehicle for both extending Turkish influence in the region as well as helping the region find a more democratic formula for growth and development than either the Westernized secular model (whose adherent would be a minority anywhere in the ME) or more extremist forms of Islamist thought which are regressive and inherently anti-democratic. Turkey also has a complicated relationship with Iran which plays its role in all of this as well. And the Muslim Brotherhood was (before the advent of jihadist Islamist movements) the main opposition to Assad in Syria and the base of power for Morsi in Egypt, both of which Turkey supported.

This is not right. First, Assad had no real opposition to any gas pipeline project that would bring Syria money, and would therefore have been the best bet for anyone interested in such pipeline projects. Second, you can't have a viable pipeline project by unleashing Syria into civil war! It takes billions of dollars of investment to build any gas pipeline project. And no wise investor would even consider investing in a civil war torn country controlled by groups like ISIS or their ilk!

The truth is that the main gas pipeline project which was meant to lessen European reliance on Russia was the Nabucco pipeline project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabucco_pipeline

Promoting this pipeline project was a cornerstone of Iranian foreign policy in trying to give Western powers an incentive not to take policies harmful to Iran. While the project was supported across Iran's reformist-principalist political divide and camps, it was an important component of Iran's reformists and their attempts to maintain good relations with Europe. Iran, which has the largest reserves of natural gas in the world after Russia (some findings suggest its reserves surpass those of Russia now), saw those reserves (and hundreds of billions of dollars in Western investments that could be used to develop them), along with the geopolitical incitement of reducing European reliance on Russian gas supplies, as a huge lever to try to keep Europe outside of any anti-Iran coalition of policies.

Despite all the incentives Iran was offering the Europeans, even this idea ultimately failed because the opposition to Iran, coming from the strongest lobby within American politics (the pro Israel lobby) was even stronger than the huge financial incentives Iran could dangle. And because Europe itself doesn't want Iranian presence in places like Syria or Lebanon, while it too has its own reasons for worrying about Iran's missile and nuclear program.

The main demand to Assad, conveyed under various initiatives starting with efforts by Sarkozy and the French beginning in 2007, and then subsequently by a slew of other actors, including Russia, was for Assad to sever his close ties to Iran and Hezbollah. He refused because he didn't trust those making such offers, particularly after seeing how the carrot being dangled in front of him (return of the Golan) was not something the Israelis were seriously contemplating.

 

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What you fail to mention is these bombs were being dropped on radical Islamist Jihadists - most of which are "his people".

 

I guess a barrel bomb is bad because they are cheaper than a modern expensive bomb made by a western nation?

Yet both bombs are made to kill. And do. Yet assad is more evil because his bombs aint nice and shiny.

None of the nation we have invaded or used proxies were a threat to Americans. Nothing to do with protecting our people.

And that makes these wars as wrong and evil. That is why I am against them.
As any moral person should be.

As Gen. Butler wrote, War is a Racket. It is a business that enriches the rich and powerful with the blood of our poor. While msm sells it.

I am not a pacifist. Wars fought in self defense is essential yet that is not why war we wage our wars.

Ending the draft makes our war mongering easy. All it takes is a lying govt and a fake press.

 

If you were Assad you would naturally like Trump because he isn't talking regime change. Obama and Hillary talked a lot about regime change, but when push came to shove their mere words had no claws or might behind them.

 

Exactly -

"Gentleman - the Objective here is to kill people - the Jihadists are the target but let us drop the nice bombs on those people - not the bad barrel bombs "