READ: Whistleblower lawyer's letter to White House

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So the guy knew nothing and yet Adam Schiff and Co. said he did? Someone's lying.
     
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    So claiming a coup has begun (a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government) means something similar to climate change? He'd better hope his lawyer doesn't try that explanation.
     
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    LOL... "saying a coup started shows inside knowledge"?? OK...

    Perhaps not, but Mr. Twitter has avoided doing it anyway so far.... amazing restraint from the man with no restraint...

    SNIP
    "Anybody who is thinking about outing the whistleblower has to take into account the possibility that if something happens to the whistleblower, there would be some civil liability for causing that to happen," Litt said.
    ENDSNIP
     
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    I see simple analogies don't work with some.... I'll keep it simpler in the future...

    Where's my arrest for this heinous (that means bad, by the way) act?

    If this ever hit a courtroom, I'd try the latest Trump defense.....He was joking....
     
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    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes.... the conservative right.... daily....
     
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    Well first we need to see if someone physically injures the whistleblower.

    Then you need to prove it is Trump’s fault.
    Posting a link where someone else outed the whistleblower is a real stretch.
     
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    The Col already testified. So you want to charge him as a traitor because he told the truth?? Wow! If that is so then I fear our country has been crapped on by Trump worse than I thought. Will America recover in my lifetime? I am not sure! The Trump cancer seems to have spread into our foundation.
     
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    The Whistle Blower isn't a whistle blower, either.

    The man in question may be a “whistleblower” in some common-usage sense of the word. Yet, he is not a whistleblower in the statutory sense. That’s the only sense that matters because the relevant statute is what triggers whistleblower protections. Under that statute, protected status is given to an official who reports on intelligence activities within the jurisdiction of the director of national intelligence. The statute does not apply to the president’s conducting of foreign policy, including his communications with foreign heads of state.

    The inspector general of the intelligence community (IGIC) chose to handle the man’s complaint as if it raised an intelligence-related “urgent concern,” as defined by the statute. The IGIC thus treated the man as if he had protected status. That was an error. The acting director of national intelligence correctly found that the complaint did not meet the statutory criteria, and he therefore declined to pass it along to Congress (as the statute mandates for complaints that do meet the criteria). But as he is new and understandably did not want to be perceived as throwing the IGIC under the proverbial bus, the acting DNI publicly conformed to the fiction that the man has protected status under the law. He does not.

    Contrary to what has become received wisdom (Democratic talking points peddled to the media tend to achieve that status), the law does not guarantee anonymity even to a statutorily qualified whistleblower. Instead, it calls for only the ICIG to keep the identity confidential. Even that, though, is an overstatement. The law says that even the ICIG may disclose the person’s identity if the IGIC (a) believes doing so is unavoidable under the circumstances, or (b) makes disclosure to the Justice Department in anticipation of a prosecution.

    The Justice Department has various disclosure obligations that take precedence over a witness’s interest in remaining anonymous. Whistleblowers who are essential witnesses in criminal prosecutions do not get to remain anonymous.
     
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    The law imposes this highly qualified confidentiality requirement only on the ICIG. It does not bind other government officials, much less members of Congress, the media, and the public. The point of the law is to shield whistleblowers from reprisals (being fired, demoted, denied promotion, transferred to Anchorage, etc.), not from public identification.

    The posturing on this point has been patently political. If we were dealing with actual classified information that could compromise a significant national-security program, the media would breathlessly reveal it and lecture us about the public’s “right to know” newsworthy information. And when the whistleblower complaint first emerged, it was impeachment impresario Adam Schiff himself who insisted that the whistleblower had to be brought forward to testify. Natch, he did a 180 when it was revealed that the so-called whistleblower had huddled with Schiff’s staff before filing the complaint with the IGIC. (The point of the statute is to create an intra-agency review of complaints before Congress is notified.)

    Of course, it has since come out that — I’ll be darned! — the “whistleblower” has ties to prominent Democratic Trump detractors. So now, the same Democrats who previously saw the man as a potential star witness have decided that his usefulness has run its course. Now that he is a potential liability, it suddenly has become unpatriotic to utter his name.

    Meanwhile, Republican Trump defenders first took the position that the “whistleblower” was irrelevant because all his material revelations are hearsay. Since we have a transcript of the Trump-Zelensky call, and witnesses with first-hand knowledge about other pertinent events have testified, they reasoned that he was an unnecessary witness. But, as night follows day, once it became clear that Democrats want to hide him away, the GOP decided that the Republic’s survival hinges on his being exposed and interrogated.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...test-bogus-legal-argument-over-whistleblower/
     
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    The whistleblower and those who spoke to him.
     
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    Common sense, I suppose.

    Calling someone a traitor to their country, especially when that declaration comes from someone with a great deal of authority and a massive following of obedient followers like trump, strongly suggests that person deserves to be punished and is dangerous. The fact that trump even made an explicit reference to the historical punishment of death makes that accusation even more threatening.
     
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    Then there second hand personal opinion means diddly squat.
     
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    I hear you panting through my screen
     
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    Pant pant pant.
    You trying for an Oscar here?
     
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    According to his texts, he is a witness to interresting information
     
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    Not quite sure what you're going on about. I would just like to see the so-called whistle-blower face some questions. I'm not charging anyone as a traitor. Why do you feel the need to make stuff up?
     
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    I believe it shows the gravity of the situation. I have heard numerous never-trumpers on here call the prez a traitor. Should they be investigated by the secret Service for threatening the president? It's not an actual threat and we still have the 1st amendment.
     
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    NOTHING TO SEE HERE EITHER: Whistleblower Lawyer Defends Tweet Celebrating Deep State ‘Coup’ Against Trump.

    Mark Zaid, the attorney for the whistleblower who sparked the Democrats' bitterly partisan impeachment inquiry, celebrated a "coup" against President Donald Trump just ten days after his inauguration in 2017, predicting impeachment.

    He also defended celebrating a "coup" against the president. "The coup comment referred to those working inside the administration..." Zaid added. And that is what we have a revolt of the Mandarins who think they set US policy, not the Representative of The Electorate.

    The whistleblower's lawyer had celebrated a "coup" when Sally Yates was fired for refusing to implement Trump's policy: "Coup has started. As one falls, two more will take their place," he tweeted with the moronic hashtags "rebellion" and "impeachment."

    Zaid predicted Trump's impeachment that year.

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    Mark S. Zaid

    ✔@MarkSZaidEsq

    Johnson (1868), Nixon (1973), Clinton (1998) impeachment hearings. Next up @realDonaldTrump (2017)

    He also predicted that Fake News CNN would play a role in impeachment.

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    Mark S. Zaid

    ✔@MarkSZaidEsq

    Not shocking at all. I predict @CNN will play a key role in @realDonaldTrump not finishing out his full term as president https://twitter.com/thehill/status/882230792293842944 …

    Zaid has the free speech to say whatever he wants, but these tweets reveal a partisan bias that gives the lie to the suggestion that the whistleblower and his team were merely out to speak the truth.

    The whistleblower met with Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) before filing his report, and he has ties to former Vice President Joe Biden. RealClearInvestigations has ventured to name the whistleblower — a partisan Democrat operative working within government to bring down the president.

    Last month, former acting CIA Director John E. McLaughlin declared, "Thank God for the 'deep state,'" when asked about the whistleblower pushing impeachment.

    The entire impeachment drive is a partisan effort to remove a sitting president, spearheaded by rebellious operatives working from within to undermine him.

    Zaid's defense of his "coup" comment involves a bold-faced defense of the very thing Trump condemns as the "deep state" — unelected bureaucrats working to undermine the will of the American people.
     
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    Even Republicans are admitting that there was quid pro quo but they’re trying to say that it’s not impeachable. Don’t you read legitimate news at all? Or do you think it’s a conspiracy number 8642?

    why put him in danger? His tips exposed corruption.You rather attack the messenger then hear what he saying
     
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    It depends what his information is used for. In this case it was used to ascertain whether there was a basis in fact for an investigation. If all the basic facts are corroborated by enough reliable sources who are more than willing to step forward, and/or by sufficient documentation that the prosecution need never rely on the original informant to prove any material fact or any element of the crime, then they don't bring him forward, they don't use his testimony, and they don't mention his existence, then his motive, his credibility is moot. He's not being used to prove squat.

    What they cannot do, is bring his statements in, or refer to them in formal proceedings, as part of their case, without providing access to Trump's attorneys.

    They need to make absolutely sure not to give Trump's lawyers any excuse whatsoever to include this WB in their discovery motion. Its tricky.
     
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    Indeed, all anyone needs to do is to read the transcript, because right then and right there, without even a shadow of a doubt, Trump incriminated himself. The moment he said 'I need you to do me a favor, though'...

    Furthermore, if Trump wasn't so upset and threatened by a WB, why is he threatening said WB, which, as US Code clearly, factually lays out, is a federal crime?

    And BTW no one is moving the goalposts. Are you seeing goalposts that no one else sees, perhaps?
     
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    Many mob bosses disagreed with the facts, because they have delusions of grandeur. Their fat asses still landed in jail.
    The flat-earth society disputes the fact that the earth is a sphere. And yet, the earth is indeed a sphere.

    So, there's that, nöööö
     
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    Yepp.
     
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    So, for those who are slow on the uptake: during the Obama administration, under Obama's directive, VP Joe Biden encouraged Ukraine to fire it's equivalent of our AG, because he was not doing enough to fight corruption. In fact, he himself was corrupt. And the one firm that the Right just loving to have in it's crosshairs - Joe Biden's son wasn't even working for that firm when this all happened.

    So, now that every smart person in the universe has come to the conclusion that neither Joe Biden nor Hunter Biden did anything wrong, illegal, immoral or inappropriate, I wish you a very nice day, nöööö
     
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    Trump called the whistleblower a traitor. Are you not aware of this?
     
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