America can no longer be trusted

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Nov 7, 2019.

  1. Robert E Allen

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    We aren't the modern day Roman empire..
     
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    Since the notion that we abandoned the Kurds is pure hyperbole it is you preaching falsehood.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What the hades made us the keepers of the Kurds all of a sudden?
     
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    Well if one happens to be a neo con or some people on the left we are automatically the keeper and repository of everyone's problems but woe betide any poor soul who thinks that maybe trying to find a solution to a problem instead of constantly fanning the flames might be a better idea
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US Government has yet to prove that case vs Russia. He is critical of the moles left there by Obama.
     
  7. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well stated.
     
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    Apparently you believe we have some obligation to police the world at great cost of blood and treasure, and if we oppose this continued reliance, we have abandoned them.

    Do you pay for your friends? Because this is what you are advocating here.
     
  10. Sandy Shanks

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    It seems that certain parties friendly with Trump are avoiding what was said in the OP. It should be noted, said parties are also not questioning what was said in the report. Here is a review of what was said.

    The Guardian reports the French president, Emmanuel Macron, "has said Nato is in the throes of “brain death” and European countries can no longer rely on the US to defend its allies.".

    Among many other factors this is a direct consequence of Trump's decision to abandon an important ally in Syria, prompting "uncoordinated aggressive action by another Nato ally, Turkey, in an area where our interests are at stake,” namely, the Mideast and its oil.

    Trump could be impeached before Christmas. Unfortunately, the Framers never imagined a President like Trump, and so they did not include incompetence in their grounds for impeachment, only "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

    That said, if the House impeaches and if the Senate removes Trump -- not likely under current circumstances -- it would be good riddance to an incompetent President.

    Allow me to illustrate with a few examples, in a matter of speaking, the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

    Trump Mideast policy is so favorable to Israel, the U.S. can no longer be trusted. The U.S. has been tossed out as a Mideast broker, replaced by Russia.

    After a year and a half of Trump's trade war with China, Wall Street is finally recovering because it appears that the tariffs Trump caused are going to be removed. Millions of dollars were lost during that year and a half period.

    Iran is closer to making a nuke. Why? Because in May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from a working agreement with Iran called the JCPOA that permanently barred Iran from making a nuke. Iran has resumed her nuclear research, destroyed the largest oil refinery on the planet, seized and mined ships, and even shot down a very expensive American aircraft all because of Trump's incomprehensible decision and his harsh economic sanctions.

    Trump is anti-Earth. He is removing the U.S. from the Paris Accord, joining thirteen other nations who have not signed the accord, some, like Iran and Turkey, are the largest emitters. He appoints EPA directors who are disenchanted with EPA policies. His appointments are industry friendly, kind of like the fox in the hen house scenario.

    Trump's policies with respect to NATO, Ukraine, Turkey, the Assad regime in Syria, and the Middle East strongly favor Russia. Trump has never admitted that Russia interfered in our 2016 election, and he is severely critical of our intelligence agencies and the FBI.

    In short, Trump gives new meaning to the term, incompetence.
     
  11. Rush_is_Right

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    Let's vote in Michael Obama and the world will love us again. Scary thought.
     
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    That silly Frenchie has got it right unfortunately.
     
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    Russia may have a GDP about the size of France but it has as many nuclear boom booms as the US. It also has the Scum of the earth Putin bent on rebuilding the USSR.

    Never underestimate your opponent or your enemy. I must add that if you do you will regret your foolishness just before your enemy defeats you.
     
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    The biggest supporters of military aid for Ukraine are good Republicans and they were joined by the good Democrats so it was bipartisan.
     
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    Basically very very correct.
     
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    The same place that $2,500.00 I was suppose to save on my insurance and where those one million shovel ready jobs Obama said were just waiting for him to get elected.
     
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    Obligation is not the question
    And no, I do not think we have an obligation to police the world
    But there can be advantages to being trusted and respected,
    That does not necessarily have to cost a lot of blood and treasure
    But you do have to convey reliability
    Which is not what is conveyed by what we did to the Kurds
    Or how trump talks to, and about our allies
     
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    Most of the MAGA crowd here forgets, it was the US which asked for help after 911, invoking article 5.
    And its allies and friends of NATO came to help, spent treasury and blood.
    The US never spent any treasury and blood because of NATO.

    As of today it is the US which asked its partners for help.

    The same USA, whos President stood in front of the monument of 911 at the NATO head quarters, telling its allies they do not do enough.

    Really ?

    MAGA guys come back, when a NATO country calls for help, invokes article 5 and the US is coming to help, spending treasury and blood to aid a NATO ally
     
  19. Sandy Shanks

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    How incompetent is Trump? He just proved it again. This could not be more embarrassing. This is bad, really bad. Our President has been fined.

    Trump must pay a $2 million judgment for improperly using his Trump Foundation charity to further his 2016 presidential campaign, a New York state judge ruled Thursday.

    The order appears to bring to an end the New York attorney general's lawsuit against the president and three of his oldest children over the now-shuttered foundation, which the attorney general said had engaged in repeated wrongdoing.

    “Our petition detailed a shocking pattern of illegality involving the Trump Foundation — including unlawful coordination with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated and willful self-dealing, and much more," then-Attorney General Barbara Underwood stated.


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...ay-2-million-misusing-his-foundation-n1078306

    Will this ever end? This is what happens when huge numbers of intelligent voters stay home or waste their vote on a candidate who can't possibly win.
     
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    Funny there isn't a statement in there that implies let alone states baldly that Trump is incompetent. Your reading skills need work.
     
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    Untrue, I do not think Trump is incompetent, please fix this!
     
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    And how does spending billions to bolster Europe's conventional defenses prevent Putin from nuking ****?

    Indeed underestimating your enemy is folly. But so is bankrupting yourself trying to defend against paper tigers.

    If Russia is so dangerous, maybe instead of talking about universal healthcare, we should be stacking tanks up on their border?
     
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    I don’t belong in your quote.
     
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    Russia is indeed is dangerous but Russia will not use nukes against Europe and ruin the land for the next quarter million years. Russia very likely will use conventional forces to attack the edges of Easter Europe . Russian will use ( and is using) economic warfare to attack the EU. Russia will continue to use election and political interference by pumping money into countries such as Hungary to turn Hungary into an ally.
    Russia wants to take back the lands of the Iron Curtain and then marginalized France, Italy, Germany and GB. GB already played into Russia's hands with Brexit which Putin supports.

    Why do you think Putin supports Brexit? You think he is a Anglophile? NO NO NO NO,
    Russia will use the threat of nukes against the US and Europe but using nukes against US soil a possibility but as long as we have strong nuclear counter offensive capability they will think fives times before doing that.
     
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    They did not question the conclusion reached in the analysis.

    Your reading skills need work.
     

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