Republican witness list undermines their case

Especially the attempts to publicize the identity of the whistle-blower.

First of all, the Whistleblower did everything according to procedure and the law. So he/she is protected by the Whistleblower act. Second, the whistleblower is irrelevant at this point. Everything that he/she said has been corroborated by multiple witnesses. So this is clearly an attempt to avoid addressing the message by attacking the messenger. Not to mention illegal.

Now, of course there is also a clear attempt at using the process as a circus by promoting the conspiracy theory about Biden. I don't really care if they decide to waste a day or two in that nonsense. It would surprise me if Democrats allowed it.

But I am more concerned about the message that Republicans are sending to everybody in public service The message they would be sending is "if you see any wrongdoing, you better stay quiet because there is precedent that allows us to nail you to the wall". I guess Republicans trust that future Democratic Presidents will not be as corrupt as Trump, but I don't share their confidence.

The fact that they would even try to do this, completely undermines any pretense of seriousness on the part of Republicans.

 

On the WB, they obviously want to portray him as a Deep State Democrat, who made up his complaint for political purposes. The fact that his complaint has been corroborated by Republican career officials and Trump appointees is the elephant in the room to be ignored.
But, the newest witness demand by Republicans is even worse...Hunter Biden. Extraordinarily stupid for Republicans to be opening the door on nepotism. Off-hand, two relatives of the sitting president come to mind...along with granted Chinese licenses for products, Mideastern loans, etc. Not to mention Rep. Matt Gaetz, whose father was the politically powerful President of the Florida State Senate, et al.

 

Everybody knows his name. He was schooled by Schiff and his staffers what to say and how to frame it. Schiff for Brains leaked his name, a name that also appears in the report Mueller never read and certainly didn't write in a footnote on page 71.

 

And nobody who wants to debate this seriously cares.

So you think you found something you have in common with Mueller, huh...

 

He worked on the National Security Council staff, on loan from the CIA. The reference in the Mueller Report is an e-mail he sent to Homeland Security Director Kelly and others, regarding the meeting in the Oval Office whereby Trump told the Russian Ambassador and the Russian Foreign Minister that firing Comey would allow the restoration of relations with Russia to move forward.

 

What's to debate? The guy was outed by Schiff. His name was in Facebook. He is not a whistle blower. The WB form was changed and first hand knowledge removed for the purpose of using the guy to out a phone call he was not a witness to. His name was broadcast in Facebook, removed after it was too late.

Since he also provided testimony for the Mueller report, he is apparently a professional leaker who has no place in our intelligence community. And no, getting a partisan from the party that opposes your target and have him write a leak for you is not procedure.

 

Which might not be convenient to any corrupt President, but a great service to We The People.

 

The fact that neither Trump nor his kids are collecting a salary is troubling for your conspiracy theory. Jr. was in charge of foreign business development before the election. Trump shut down all future business and writes checks to the treasury for his salary and any profit on his properties.

 

Granted I'm not a seasoned debater as you claim to be, but this flow seems a bit quirky ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯

 

So you are believing the democrats are serious and this is just not one in a very long line of stunts
and if you are serious, why would you clue them in to their making this yuge error?
BTW the whistleblowers name is Eric Ciaramella. I know because a whistleblower told me he heard it while in a restroom.

 

Don Junior isn't sitting in the White House. My reference was to Ivanka and Jared. The licenses to sell her products in China should more than compensate for her generosity in forgoing her White House salary... and ditto on Jared and his Middle Eastern loans. And Donald himself? Chicken feed compared to past and future favors.

 

Based on his record low Supreme Court win rate, Obama is the most corrupt President since Zachary Taylor and, perhaps, all time for full term Presidents ,,, yet this crowd of leakers is likely made up of replacements for the civil servants Obama purged starting in 2009.

The question of why Obama had to purge employees that might not share his radical Marxist viewpoints is similar to the question about the 30,000 emails Hillary deleted on disks she used bleach bit. I'm glad you feel comfortable.

 

Bring the charges. BTW. How many of Ayers written books did Obama sell because he was President? How, on a $400K salary, did he amass enough money to buy an $8M mansion and a $15M mansion?

Holder's "disparate impact" should apply to the wealth Presidents, VPs and their families amass while in office.

 

Trump bum kissers demonizing the whistle blower is a desperate diversion.

The public service he provided was to point to gross improprieties that have been amply confirmed by multiple expert witnesses.

Trump's Intelligence Community Inspector General Michael Atkinson determined that his allegations were credible and of “urgent concern.”

Congress acted responsibly when the credible allegations of urgent concern were brought to its attention.

 

I don't see any legitimate reasons to suppose their being called as witnesses would provide any useful information in these hearings.

Let's try to focus upon individuals who are relevant and have something to contribute, e.g., Giuliani, Mulvaney, Bolton.

 

On Obama, I don't know? Why don't you look at his tax returns while he was President? Not sure we can legislate against former President's accepting speaking fees or payment for writing books or even sitting on boards. We can set limits, as the Constitution does, on the rewards they (and their children) receive while in office. Why do you think they put the emoluments clause in the Constitution?

 

Desperate attempt at diversion fails.

Topic concerns Republican witness list.

"Oh, yeah!
Well, what about
Ayers?
Obama?"

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So Obama couldn't get rich. It didn't work. I don't know for sure, but Trump's wealth will likely decrease after his 8 years. Trump didn't need this. Obama did. He may have turned down the $1M he got for the not being Bush Nobel, but his stock increased. A guy who never ran so much as a lemonade stand became a multimillionaire.

Trump became a racist, homophone, xenophobe, sexist trying to save the country from the disaster that were the last decades.

I lost a good friend to the hatred that showered down on Trump and the GOP convention in Cleveland. I will never forgive the Democrat hatemongers for that. All Steve did was give a speech on cyber security at the GOP convention and he was targeted by haters. The cyber security company he was about to take public was the target of retribution. Within 8 months of his speech the fascists killed his business and he killed himself. I hate Democrats for what they do to people they disagree with.

 

Steve who? And, how did the fascists "kill his business?" And, although I am sorry for anyone's death, aren't suicides personal choices?

 

I think so too. Nevertheless, it looks like it's the flow that Republicans in Congress will be pursuing.

 

Going to Schiff is not according to procedure.
Going against procedure invalidates every other procedure you think he followed

 

Oh, Damn serious! You can do many things in politics. But it's not wise to impeach a President unless you're serious. Some say that Republicans tried that with Clinton, and that they paid for it.

If the name of that "whistlebloser" you mention is Larry Craig, you might have misunderstood what it was he was actually blowing in that restroom.

 

Who's this O'bama? If that's one of the witnesses in the Republican list, then it's pertinent to this thread. Otherwise.... just another attempt at evading the reality of what is going on with the Orange Idol.

I know this period in history might be difficult for you. But it's reality. We told you years ago that this would happen if Trump didn't stop breaking the law. Now the time to hold him accountable has come. And judging by the pathetic defense Republicans are putting up: changing the subject, refusing to read the evidence, and now calling irrelevant witnesses... it doesn't look good for the orange guy. That is what you need to be concerned about no.

 

Obama was the previous president who became a multimillionaire because of being president without any business experience. I know you hate to hear this. But when other people are brought up, it as as reference points, not to evade or derail. They are and should be a factor in the discussion.

 

Think the transcripts are the telling evidence (not that that's gonna help).

Whistle blower should appear and testify. Harry Markapolis (I think that's his name) testified as a whistle blower in the Madoff scam.

Is that Richard Feymnan? "If you think you understand quantum mechanics, then you don't understand quantum mechanics."