Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Se, I can't see a point here...other than pretending you can read all women's minds and declare they all think alike...like cattle.
     
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    I never said anyone said I didn't. Where did I say that?

    So, what was the point behind that garbage post of yours then?

    Because?

    Well, there is this one thing, I don't know if you heard of it or not, but there is this one thing called freedom. Maybe you have heard of it?

    What do you care about anyways?

    What are you trying to say? Why are you directing this towards me? What is your point?

    It is now painfully obvious; You have no clue what the word choice actually means.

    You are quite the star, aren't ya? Geez.

    Cute.
     
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  3. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    In your opinion (shrug)
     
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    It represents the systematic brainwashing that women have gone through since the days of Margaret Sanger (socialist) and continue to this day. What you are seeing here is a reflection and a culmination of the pro choice efforts to subvert moral authority and push their genocidal agenda forward. These women holding the parasite signs have been hoodwinked. Planned Parenthood's public campaign has done much damage to this nation. In fact, I would go as far as to say, PP is the most destructive force in American history. It's Planned Barronhood.

    Hitler did the same thing (convincing the public that another group of people were subhuman and parasitic.) with the German people (he was a socialist as well):

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    The US government can in some cases infringe on body autonomy. So you DO NOT have full bodily autonomy. "Full" body autonomy sounds great but in reality its a grand delusion that leads to anarchy. Full body autonomy means you are OUT OF CONTROL. Are you an anarchist? You might be interested in the readings of Voltairine de Cleyre, she has some interesting points to make on sex, marriage and individual autonomy. A pioneering feminist and anarchist, she strongly advocated for FULL body autonomy. Check the link:

    https://theanarchistlibrary.org/lib...ist-feminist-philosophy-of-autonomy-and-freed

    Why does socialism seem to correlate with loss of freedom and death? Hmmm...
     
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  5. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    LOL! Funny stuff especially whatever TF "Planned Barronhood."" means.....there is a word "baron", there is a word "barren"...but no "barron"....:)
     
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    Brainwashing women into thinking abortion is somehow the embodiment and prime market of "Women's Rights" is one of the most vicious acts as it turns her into a victim of the male sexuality and a slave to their own lust and temptations. It destroys all incentives for men to be gentlemen and for society and the market to treat women as fellow human beings. It fosters promiscuity and what Feminists call "Rape Culture".

    It is true, demonic evil. It cannot be anything else but the act of the Devil.

    A woman is a human being, not a "pleasure toy" and I find it quite amusing that I, as a Non-Feminist, am making the Feminist case in here.
     
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    Longshot Well-Known Member

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    It's interesting that 38 of the sovereign states consider a fetus a homicide victim (in double-homicide, i.e. expectant mother and unborn child).
     
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    Do please look up the UVVA, Unborn Victims of Violence Act.

    That explains why people can be charged with killing a pregnant woman and her fetus..

    It has NOTHING to do with abortions rights, women's right to bodily autonomy, when "life" starts , who gets abortions, or anything else related to abortion.
     
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    Nope. I agree it has nothing to do with abortion rights. It has to do with the fact that 38 states consider killing a mother and her unborn child a double-murder. How could a mere fetus be a victim of a murder? Can't only persons be murdered?
     
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    They will create some "explanation"...*munches popcorn.
     
  11. FoxHastings

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    Saying that Brainwashing women into thinking abortion is somehow the embodiment and prime market of "Women's Rights" is one of the most vicious acts" is a most vicious lie.


    How low one's view of women must be to imply they cannot think for themselves but are easily brainwashed...



    "" It destroys all incentives for men to be gentlemen"""

    LOL! YUP, men always need to blame someone else for their bad behavior :)

    Oh, and the draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaama:

    "It is true, demonic evil. It cannot be anything else but the act of the Devil."

    OOOHH, the Big Red Devil ...always associated with women according to anti-Choicers(people who are against abortion as seen here)

    Does he really have a forked tail and horns? I saw several of him last week, carrying pumpkins and seducing women ...LOL!!!....:)
     
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    Do please look up the UVVA, Unborn Victims of Violence Act.

    That explains why people can be charged with killing a pregnant woman and her fetus....and it may not be a "double murder"..


    IF you really wanted info you'd look it up....and find that the fetus is NOT deemed a person by the UVVA...nor can it deem the fetus as a person with rights...
     
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    The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on federal properties, against certain federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.
    I'm not talking about federal law. I'm talking about the 38 state laws that consider the murder of a mother and her unborn child to be a double murder. How can a non-person be a victim of murder?
     
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    I wish it was a laughing matter.

    60,000,000 dead
    60,000,000 killers
    180,000,000 victims

    Nazi Germany: Jews are parasites
    United States: Unborn children are parasites.
     
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    I don't know, I don't know every law in every state.

    Could you show me one of those laws that says a fetus is a legal person?

    And then tell me what TF that has to do with abortion?
     
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    How frightened one must be of science that one doesn't know what a parasite is, or know what a parasitic relationship is....it isn't a bad word that one calls their brother-in-law...it is a scientific term but science denial is rampant among some..
     
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    Sorry. I didn't know I would have to educate you on this:

    https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdoc...ype=HTM&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=26&sctn=4&subsctn=0

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    § 2604. Murder of unborn child.

    (a) First degree murder of unborn child.--

    (1) A criminal homicide of an unborn child constitutes first degree murder of an unborn child when it is committed by an intentional killing.

    (2) The penalty for first degree murder of an unborn child shall be imposed in accordance with section 1102(a)(2) (relating to sentence for murder and murder of an unborn child).

    (b) Second degree murder of unborn child.--

    (1) A criminal homicide of an unborn child constitutes second degree murder of an unborn child when it is committed while the defendant was engaged as a principal or an accomplice in the perpetration of a felony.

    (2) The penalty for second degree murder of an unborn child shall be the same as for murder of the second degree.

    (c) Third degree murder of unborn child.--

    (1) All other kinds of murder of an unborn child shall be third degree murder of an unborn child.

    (2) The penalty for third degree murder of an unborn child is the same as the penalty for murder of the third degree.



    Cross References. Section 2604 is referred to in section 2603 of this title; section 9714 of Title 42 (Judiciary and Judicial Procedure).
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    Maybe it has nothing to do with abortion. I was just asking how we reconcile that fact that it's murder to kill an unborn child sometimes but not others.
     
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    I don’t think many husbands would be happy with your suggestions?
    Curious, do the same rules apply to men?
     
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    If you will notice I wrote "they" not you. I am not accusing you personally. I am though, accusing the pro-life movement of moral negligence if they insist on calling abortion a "holocaust". You ask what I have done to promote abortion. No sane person wants a woman to be confronted with that choice, but they are on a daily basis. My job is easier than the pro-lifers, I vote for the pro-choice candidate and give money to PP. You on the other hand have a more difficult job. If your group thinks humans are being murdered and are doing next to nothing to stop it, on a daily basis, then you should rethink your priorities. I think Jesus would do a little more. There are higher laws than man's, isn't there?
     
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    and if I were a man I would get vasectomized...so I wouldn’t get any woman pregnant (sarcasm alert)
     
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    Yes, ones where a killer is charged with two homicides for killing a pregnant women. It has everything to do with abortion.
     
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    Yes it is because the killer killed the woman and the fetus she intended to bring to term. She did not have a choice
     
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    And? Sometimes it's murder and sometimes it's not? The unborn human, has no choice in either scenario. Hey, did I miss your answer when I asked your opinion on female, genital mutilation, several pages back?
     
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    Your level of hypocrisy and deception is astounding.

    Mutualism is the relationship between the mother and the unborn child, not parasitism.

    And you want to kill the parasite, right? At least Hitler did. And so does the liberal left, you cannot deny that. Both "parasite" people groups have been killed in huge numbers. Both "parasite" people groups have been dehumanized. Both "parasite" people groups are not considered persons.

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    When given the proper context we can see very clearly that the term parasite was / is being used in the derogatory sense when applied to the unborn fetus. When Hitler called the jews parasites, was he giving them a compliment? No, he was preparing the death camps for them. And this is how 7 million jews ended up dead. Unborn children are considered parasites and 2,500 of them end up dead that the hands of abortionists every day. Starting to connect the dots? You strip humanity away and start the killing. And if we delve a little deeper into the mother - unborn child relationship we can see that it is not parasitic in nature.

    It all boils down to the fact that parent and child have a common goal: the child's survival. Host and parasite, on the other hand, have a fundamental disagreement about the desirability of the parasite's survival.

    At its heart, parasitism is a relationship by which organisms have their reproductive success reduced by other organisms; and at its heart, reproduction fundamentally increases the reproductive success of an organism. In biological terms, classifying a reproductive relationship as a parasitism is fundamentally at odds by definition. The "species" in the definition is intended to help you make that distinction and is not at all arbitrary; the word parasitism was invented to describe a relationship between different species on an evolutionary time scale.

    And the host-parasite relationship is one of conflict, while the mother-baby relationship is intrinsically cooperative. Consider the immunology of the two. Host and parasite are locked in an arms race: the parasite evolves ever more complex techniques of avoidance, while the host evolves ever more complex techniques of detection and attack. Meanwhile, mother and baby cooperate to prevent immunological conflict.

    Calling the preborn parasites reveals a lack of scientific understanding. There are many things about this relationship which show it is not parasitic. Mutualism would be the form of symbiosis that exists between a mother and her preborn child.
    Case in point, the fetus is the same type of organism as the mother. Parasites are different organisms which latch on to another species, causing it harm.

    Warren Hern is one of the most prominent abortionists in the world. He wrote the textbook, Abortion Practice. His central premise is this: unborn children should be viewed not as people, but as a disease. He writes that "the relationship between the [mother] and the [baby] can be understood best as one of host and parasite." Famed astrophysicist Carl Sagan joined this chorus by comparing unborn children to segmented worms, fish, tadpoles, reptiles, and pigs." That is the language of dehumanization. Even the word "fetus" has become a term of derision used by those who want to deemphasize the humanity of unborn children.

    Abortion supporters are infuriated at the notion that abortion is comparable to the Holocaust because they incessantly argue that human embryos and fetuses are not actually people. This is the argument that is always made to justify crimes against humanity. It is the same rationale that drove Hitler's mistreatment of the Jews and America's scandalous three-fifths compromise, which reckoned enslaved African-Americans as 3/5 of a person.
     
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    Why are you still talking about Nazi's/Jews ? This bad argument has been refuted 6 ways to Sunday. It is the equivalent of name calling -"demonization of the other"

    There is a difference between killing a living human (Jew, Muslim, Atheist) .. and killing a single human cell .. aka - the Zygote.

    The only argument you have proffered so far is "its life" as if killing life wasn't a function of our survival.

    "OH OH OH" but its "Human life" - so what - so is a human sperm cell - or a human skin cell - do you cry real tears when you blow a load onto your pillow ? Heck that stuff was "potential human life" .. Lets equate that potential with Hitler killing real living humans and pretend anyone who doesn't agree with us on the same level .. "THE OTHER" ..and then demonize them by equating them to Hitler.

    Dude

    "black vs white" "Good vs Evil" "God vs Devil" paradigm

    I explained this pattern of behavior to you - and how you were trained to do this as via propaganda/sophisticated mind control techniques.

    You need to spit out that poison lizard - and stop speaking for God .. as if God sat down for tea yesterday with you and gave you his thoughts on abortion.
     
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