Lets Talk About the Whistleblower Eric Ciaramella ***POLL***

And now the various social media have censored their content so that Eric Ciaramella's name will not be mentioned.

Somebody is nervous.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/11...overton-window-of-allowable-speech-collapses/

 

Got to ask Trump FanBoys - how will knowing the whistleblower change the current investigation in the slightest? We've already had other first-hand testimony and Trump released the a version of the call. As I've said before, the whistleblower could be the alien king of the planet Anti-Trump, and it
would not alter the current investigation.

 

The president is not able to call anything but home during the trail you seem to not understand court procedure.

 

Yes, the antics of the Repubs and the president is going to get someone killed....

 

Such a grand attempt at projection to protect a criminal in the White House.

 

Eric Ciarmaella Eric Ciaramella Eric Ciaramella... uh oh. I hope I have not summoned a dark spirit!

 

Yuppers!


They cannot handle what the whistleblower says so they need to know who it is to attack the messenger and try to bury the message..

 

"Attacking the messenger" is what every court case is about. Yes, before you state it, I know...impeachment inquiry is not a court case. It is a part of our justice system. Note, that word is being used for more than just our court system. It is how we determine fairness in this country. And a messengers character is just as important as what they say. Maybe more so. Did you ever wonder why when ever a DA is found to be guilty of something they go through all their court cases? It's to verify whether or not the corrupt DA, who is the messenger in our court proceedings, purposely lied or hidden something that might have found someone innocent.

So yes, "attacking the messenger" is a part of our Justice system. If the "messenger" is suspect then any "evidence" that they provide is suspect also. You see that all the time here on the forums whenever someone scoffs at a particular "news" agency that they believe is a bad "news" agency. That is "attacking the messenger". You see it all the time here on the forums whenever people like Alex Jones or whats his face from Project Veritas is presented.

Like it or not, "attacking the messenger" is a part of our system and thought processes.

And right now every single testimony that we have seen has been nothing more than opinions stated. That's it. No factual evidence has been presented other than that some funds were withheld about the same time Trump asked for his "favor". And even the circumstances surrounding that is murky. Though people with partisan bias (on both sides) no doubt sees it "clearly".

 

Revealing the whistleblower's name is soley for the accused to intimidate and threaten the whistleblower and their family.

That is why whistleblowers have protection, it is protection from the guilty who don't want the whistleblower to testify because they know they are guilty.

 

Sure, he could be intimidated and threatened. So what. The same thing can be said for any witness in any court case across the nation for our entire history. And it does happen. Some times to great effect, sometimes to no effect. That does not discount anything that I said in the post that you quoted. It does not discount the fact that the accused in this country has a Right to face their accusers. Be it in a court case or outside of the court. ANY legal proceeding, and an impeachment IS a legal proceeding whether you want to admit it or not, requires that the accused gets to face their accuser.

 

Not in a Grand Jury...


….and if someone isn't guilty why do they need to know who made the accusations? Why don't they just show that the accusations aren't true ?

 

Not relevant. The HoR is not a grand jury.

It's not the defendants job to prove themselves innocent. It is the accusers job to prove guilt.

 

The trial part of the impeachment doesn't happen until it goes to the Senate and the Chief Justice sits in. At this point, it's more of a Grand Jury deliberation to see if charges will be filed. There is no need to produce the whistleblower until the Senate trail, and even then, the whistleblower is just a side note given that first-hand witnesses have come forward and the transcript has been seen.

 

When the impeachment goes to trail in the Senate.

 

And what is your opinion of 'firefighters' who themselves start fires and then parley the 'alarm' into the predictably resultant 'hero's' status, to the applause of an adoring audience...?

Is the Democrat 'rebellion' really some kind of treasonous three-act play?

Act I -- The "Russia Collusion"... FAILURE
Act II -- The "Kavanaugh Assassination"... FAILURE
Act III -- The "Ukraine Quid Pro Quo"... (?)

 

I would say that would be bad. Luckily in this case the culprit in the White House admitted to starting the fire.

 

Get over it with your "deconstruction"

You keep trying to bend his/her words around and change the topic, we don't care.

Trump, just like Clinton and Nixon, had due process which in Constitutional Law, states he gets to know his accuser.

You instead, are trying to play word games to make people angry and change the subject.

Your silencing tactics are a joke, people don't care about them anymore

 

This is not a fire, your ridiculous comparison is meant to get people away from the conversation.

This is all you people have!

USE DECONSTRUCTION, QUICK! CHANGE THE TOPIC, FAST!!!!!

 

You are doing what the news is doing, and it's not telling the truth.

The investigation had already been started by Ukraine in March

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-...on-biden-four-months-trumpzelensky-july-call/

Four months before the call with Zelenksy.

THESE PEOPLE ARE FLAT OUT LYING

All they are trying to do is stop Trump from "de-globalizing" the world financial markets by their International Banking overlords.

It cracks me up that you guys fighting for "socialism" don't see this, you are slaves.

 

Sorry you're not capable of seeing the similarities.

 

..and to do that they do NOT need to know the whistleblower's identity.

 

Ah right, no personal attacks.

"I am sorry you are so stupid, that you don't agree with me"

Get over yourself you Post-Modernist joke. Your Marxism literally means nothing here.

You guys are going down hard

 

Actually, Nixon was taken down by Deep Throat - an unknown accuser. Just say'n.

 

Everyone look here, just another person trying to "Deconstruct" the argument away from what is actually happening.

They don't want to talk about what is actually happening, they want to "Deconstruct" the topic down to anything they can attack.

"There weren't any problems here, BUUUUUUUT look how close it is to the Nixon impeachment!!!!"

EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS!!! NO, STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO THE ACTUAL CONVERSATION!!!!

Your Marxist tactics make me laugh

 

The actual conversation is whether or not Trump abused his office, has obstructed justice, and has held Congress in contempt. The exact same charges Nixon faced when he resigned. The Marxist comment is just moronic trolling on your part.