Lets Talk About the Whistleblower Eric Ciaramella ***POLL***

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Is Eric Ciaramella a traitor?

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  1. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Get off it Mr amateur lawyer.

    You are trying to use "precedence" which is set up in court to help with legal decisions.

    Precedent does not work in every day situations, you are trying to say "since the word impeachment was used here, it is obviously in good context"

    No, it's not, you are obfuscating from the conversation by trying to bring up something that YOU THINK will tie people's ideas to impeachment.

    Post Modernists are Marxist's who changed their name so people wouldn't hate them. Their leader, Jacques Derrida, invented "Deconstruction" as LITERALLY a tool to break down and break apart "Western Cultural Norms".

    This can be seen as you people try to change what you impeach him for, from "Quid Pro Quo" to "Bribery" and now you are going to "Obstruction of Justice". Give me a break, you are trying to "market" to America and see if anything sticks, but we are on to this BS, we don't care what you say anymore.

    Instead of talking about the evidence in this trial, you are trying to use the word impeachment to "deconstruct" the situation that is going on. You are trying to "market" a random idea, so people will take to your way of thinking. Meanwhile, let's remind us again, not even talking about what is going on with the case today.

    You are a Marxist, plain and simple..... Well, I guess you could just be ignorant to what you are actually doing, but I doubt it.
     
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  2. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Your post is moronic. I would be far closer to a Eisenhower Republican than a Marxist.
    And the House isn't going to vote using the term "Quid Pro Quo" - that's asinine. It would fall under Abuse of Power.
     
  3. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Ah, right.

    "You are stupid, I don't want to talk to you anymore"

    Good talk, you really showed all the lurkers reading that your arguments are fool proof!!!
     
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  4. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Tell me honestly - at this point, given that other FIRST-HAND observers have come forward, and the text of the call released, what would it change if the whistleblower's name were known? You going to try and pretend the call didn't happen? Cause that was all the whistleblower said, that a questionable call was made.
     
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  5. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Who, William Taylor?

    William Taylor's "first hand evidence" was reading The New York times.
     
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  6. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Dude - Trump was elected with only 27% of registered voters voting for him, so please just stop pretending you represent "the people".
    And since the actual trial doesn't happen till an impeachment hits the Senate with the Chief Justice sitting in, their is no "confronting of accusers" even happening yet. The House investigation is the equivalent of a Grand Jury - and NO, accusers are not cross-examined at that point in any investigation.
    Think. Then post.
     
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  8. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Lt. Col. Vindman. First hand evidence by someone listening to the call.
     
  9. Pollycy

    Pollycy Well-Known Member

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    They also completely forget (or use 'bleachbit' on their memories) to erase the FACT that their precious "Messiah" Obama, himself, broke the law (THE LAW) no less than three separate times while he was president! I've written countless posts pointing this out, in great detail.

    1. Obama broke the War Powers Act in 2011 when he unilaterally unleashed military force on the Libyan government with which the United States was at peace! This overthrew the government, and ever since then the entire country has been in the hands of warring Islamo-Nazi factions.

    2. Obama's criminal attempt to force "Recess Appointments" in 2014 was so bald that not even his two appointed liberal stooges on the Supreme Court would support him. ALL the Justices on the Supreme Court ruled that Obama overstepped constitutional powers when he appointed government posts without Senate confirmation -- a clearly impeachable offense!

    3. Also in 2014, Obama broke the law again -- a law he had actually signed INTO law in the first place, when he illegally 'swapped' five high-ranking Taliban field commanders out of GITMO for Army deserter, Private/Sergeant/Whatever Bowe Bergdahl. And, this was a GAO finding -- once again, Obama should have been impeached!

    "Hypocrite -- thy name is DEMOCRAT!"
     
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    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    Aren't the people on the grand jury allowed to ask questions of any witness brought in to tell the story?
     
  11. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Republicans controlled Congress for two of the acts you claim unconstitutional - so why aren't you blaming Republicans for not impeaching? Is your name Democrat, by chance?
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    The Grand Jury is - not the accused, nor their lawyers. Republicans on the committee were allowed to ask questions.
     
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    All citizens of the United States have the right to confront their accusers, Daniel. They have the right to challenge them, to question them, to rebut the testimony the accuser brings against them. That is the RIGHT of citizens in a free, open republic built on a legacy of laws dating back thousands of years.

    It's not just a "name" that should be revealed -- the accuser himself/herself MUST be presented for examination and cross-examination. If that is no longer the way this country operates then we have degenerated down to the level of being no better than Nazis ourselves!

    [​IMG]."Just find him GUILTY and get it over with! We HATE him... right?"
     
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    Weren't the questions vetted by Schiff?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think he's a traitor. But I agree with everything else you said.

    Hes just another establishment worshipper caught up in the Trump hating, thinks 'America' is about financial imperialism, PCness and worshipping the state.

    A moron. Not a traitor.

    There is no reason why anything he says should be taken seriously without an in person and in public crossexamination.
     
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    So have the Republicans yet that does not bother yous..
     
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    The only problem is what the whistleblower stated has been backed by multiple other sources that are not whistle blowers...
     
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    When the trial occurs he will be exposed and his sworn testimony will be used and the defence can call on witnesses from the sharing of info that each team has.
     
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    Oh, don't even get me started on what a cowardly, miserable pile of CRAP that most Republicans were during the Obama regime! They were all so terrified of being labelled as "RACISTS" that they let him break the law over and over without saying a word. If Obama had been anything but Black (or, in his case, half-Black), even a spineless bunch of disorganized clowns like the Republicans would have DEVOURED him.
     
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    The guy that admitted trying to "change" official statements?

    Yeah, he's a grand star witnesses entire premise is based on "No way, the transcript is a lie, I alone know the truth"

    That doesn't hold up sweetie, it's only more media Hollywood narratives to try to anger the people.

    Which is exactly why he came out in his Military Uniform for that meeting alone, he was always in a suit and tie.

    Until he was on TV for Schiff, they had him in full military dress for that.

    You really think people who aren't paid off are buying this?
     
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    Draco Well-Known Member

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    Source please
     
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    Were you born yesterday?
     
  23. Draco

    Draco Well-Known Member

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    This is actually the part where I agree with you.

    I actually wish that Republicans would just pass it in the House and let it go to the Senate.

    Then we can call as witnesses:

    Hunter Biden
    Archer
    Ciaramella
    Chalupa

    And plenty more, the House is just for the media, the Senate is where we will know the truth.
     
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    They have the right during the trial. That portion of an impeachment does not begin until the impeachment hits the Senate with the Chief Justice on board. Why is that so hard for Trump FanBoys to understand? This is the Grand Jury portion of the impeachment investigation, and NO, during that portion of ANY investigation, the accused IS NOT able to confront the accuser. It ain't rocket science.
     
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    Does that mean you cannot provide a source?
     

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