More than 100 people flee Mexican drug cartels.

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  1. Shook

    Shook Well-Known Member

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    This is part of a long, on-going feud between drug cartels and Mormons. Here's the backstory:




    What action, if any, should be taken by the US against the drug cartels?
    a. send in the military and wipe them out, then return; or
    b. send in the military and wipe them out, then return; or
    c. send in the military and wipe them out, then return; or
    d. other. (Explain below.)
     
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    Until the Mexican people ask, nothing.

    For now, more and more border protection.

    We now have 100% proof that the Mexican Cartels are growing fields up in Northern California, they have killed several officers who look into the area.

    Places like these should be shut down using the US military, they are on our soil.

    But until Mexico asks or we can prove that the Mexican government is full on actually helping the Cartels against America, nothing should be done.
     
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    Isn't this the group that moved to Mexico so they can practice polygamy?

    Things might be a little complicated in the usa over that issue.
     
  4. Robert E Allen

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    not a huge fan of the Mormons but I hate the drug cartels and if we legalized all drugs the cartels would find other ways to make money using violence like they did in Alcopolco and how they try to extort from legit agriculture like Avocado farmers.



    HOWEVER, Mexico is a sovereign nation . the first step is to work with them. what they want matters.

    if they approved though i'd be for the wholesale slaughter of the cartels by the US military. but it would also have to be accompanied by reforms in the Mexican government
     
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    Seems simple enough.
    Legalize polygamy or drugs - maybe both.
     
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    legalizing drugs won't do any good, they will find another criminal activity. the cartels are the problem.
     
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    Stop them at the border and send them back. Drug cartels will kill them, but what can be done about that? Mexico has fallen to the drug cartels. There's no one left to help. All that do die.
     
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    Why not. Its not like those who want drugs are having trouble getting them. The war on drugs, like prohibition, only give power to criminals. We never learn!
     
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    Nature abhors a vacuum. If we went in and killed as many as we could as fast as we could, then left as you propose, the gaps in power would quickly fill. Great way to go kill a bunch of people, civilians included. The answer to violence isn’t always violence.
     
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    Open borders, let them all in . Trump has orange hair . Who needs a fence , trump golfs ...
     
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    Or open up the border . Trump likes ice cream . Let them all in .. trump golfs .
     
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    Some believe the cartel members might have mistaken them for a rival enemy cartel, because there were three vans driving together, and it was the same type of van that cartels often use. Three vans driving together could be pretty suspicious in that area (but in actuality it really had to do with carrying their very large families).

    However, many in that community fear that they may have been intentionally targeted because they spoke out against the cartels and have taken part in community anti-crime initiatives.
    (The community cites the fact that the attackers shot the woman driver outside of the van even though she had her hands up, and kept shooting at the children who were fleeing the van)

    The Mexican government won't allow those Mormon communities to have guns to be able to defend themselves. This has been an ongoing issue for many years.
     
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    Build the wall, secure the wall, deport every illegal we find. Their families can join them if they want to stay together.
     
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    Good luck with that.
     
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    God luck with inviting Mexico over.
     
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    What makes you think I’m doing that?
     
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    What about legalizing drugs, which would take all the money out of the drug trade?

    Send in whose military? And tell me how a military option against a guerrilla type enemy will result in less civilian casualties than what that are is experiencing now.

    We should help Mexico with this issue as it is our nations fault as we are the market for all the drugs, if this market didn't exist the cartels would not have the money to bribe and usurp the power of the Mexican government.

    Drug crime and punishment is a 100 billion dollar industry and the powers behind it don't want to let it go.
     
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    No the money is the problem and drugs are the source of the money. There is no other criminal enterprise to make them 10% of the money that drugs do. Human trafficking is next, but with legalized drugs the police who now spend 0ver 50% of their time on drug or drug related crimes will be freed up to eliminate that scourge and freed up to concentrate on the sociopaths that prey on innocents.

    It is the war on drugs which tears apart this society. Drugs are more prevalent among the poor and minorities make up more of the poor. The official unemployment among minorities is at an all-time low, but that rates does not include the 1 in four blacks that have a criminal record that precludes them from getting most jobs. those are the blacks and browns and poor whites that are no longer counted as unemployed or eligible for education assistance.

    After prohibition, the only thing the mob had left was drugs and gambling, we have now practically eliminated gambling as a major source of the mobs earnings. Legalizing's drugs will eliminate the cartels last major source of revenue.
     
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    You think the cartels will just go away quietly i have already disproved that. By their recent actions in extorting legit businesses and even whole towns..

    You don't get rid of crime by making crime legal.
     
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    I don’t care how they go away, as long as they go. If we wall them off in Mexico, the Mexicans will deal with them or ask us for help.
     
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    The answer is to isolate the problem to where it's ONLY Mexico's problem. Right now they know that if the issue spills onto our land, we have to help. If we isolate it so that ONLY Mexico needs to handle it and they know they have no help, they'll send in hit squads and completely f*** up the cartels.
     
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    I agree keeping the issue off our territory should be high priority. However killing them all just leads to criminals rushing to fill the gap; think Saddam in Iraq. We need to starve put their business with better drug policies.
     
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    It creates a vacume filled by less experienced people. Kill them and even less experienced people take over. Its the same cycle of decreasing expertise that allowed us to destroy the luftwaffe. This problem 50+ years in the making it's not gonna be solved overnight..


    What is your improved drug policy?
     
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    Eliminating the illegal drug trade through decriminalization would be a good start.
    And there are more than a few insurgencies we’ve been dealing with in the Middle East and south west Asia that would disagree with your assessment.
     
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    So legalize drugs that kill people.. got it great idea..

    We have a problem with politicians seeking political dirt from foreign countries. Lets make it legal.
     

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