No testimony from whistle blower

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  1. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    Doral Doran....they all sound the same Down Here. :) Yes...at no cost.....according to whose set of accounts? And what about the ongoing bragging, advertising, promotional value?
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well write fiction with that sort of imagination. I bet Democrats would buy your book.
     
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    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    There was no fiction there Robert.

    Just two questions which you ran away from.

    :)
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you denying you write good fiction? I never run. I may tiptoe but never run.

    Why don't you ask a brilliant question not preloaded with prejudice?

    What you asked of me makes no sense at all. Trump is well known to own a magnificent Doral in Florida. And it was a great place for such meetings. Democrats whining won't let it be there so it will be in a lot poorer place. If a person studies that location with no prejudice, they will see how fine it is.

    I say this as a person well experienced at staying at top tier locations for major meetings.
     
  5. Bush Lawyer

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    Doral might be a great facility........owned by Trump. Emoluments and all that stuff become relevant.

    I'll have a third go.

    Yes...at no cost.....according to whose set of accounts? And what about the ongoing bragging, advertising, promotional value?
     
  6. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are tossing turd burgers expecting me to cram my stomach full. Emoluments are not for such issues at all. Trump has assets out of his control for one thing. But more important, Trump would not receive a thing of value at all. Trump committed to no profit at all. His hands would be tied like with wet rawhide.
    Accounts provided by the person in charge of that for the trust. That is who is going to see to it Trump in no way is in violation of any laws. Bragging? Well if guests are a reason to brag, I think it is the guests who will be bragging. Doral got more publicity when the Democrats whined than it could get by them sitting on their lips pouting. They actually did Don a huge favor.

    I recall when George W Bush was president and he had visitors at his ranch in TX. Democrats bawled their eyes out over that yet did not accuse Bush of a violation of Emoluments. I wager I can think of other presidents who owned property that also had foreign visitors spend a few days at too. I believe old President Johnson favored foreign visits to his own ranch in TX too and we republicans did not give him hell over that.
     
  7. Phyxius

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    Those were private homes, and I don't seem to remember LBJ or the Shrub charging people to stay at those properties. Equivalency fail.
     
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  8. Bush Lawyer

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    Not out of his control at all. If you are telling me that he would not be on the phone daily with his Sons discussing his business matters, I have a lovely bridge across Sydney Harbour you might like to buy.

    Would that be the same person who on behalf of Trump gave one ste of valuations to a lender and a different set of valuations to the Tax Man?

    Donald was trying to do himself a favour. He withdrew when someone tapped him on the shoulder.

    Not interested in what GWB did. He is history.
     
  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First, Doral is a Corporation. Second the agreement Trump had to make was bullet proof that he was to make no profits. And he said out loud the stays would be at bare bones cost or no profit. No income to Trump. Same as with Johnson. When a person creeps me out by smashing our president Bush in the chops yet not smashing Johnson, the person loses all respect. If you smash one president to get away with it, smash Johnson too. Johnson did far more damage than most of our presidents ever did.
     
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    Not in conjunction with a crime.
     
  11. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All Trump would need to happen is any of the dozens of people on his phone calls snitch on him. LOL He never could get away with such a thing. I am not a bit interested in your self puffery.

    I read the actual reports on the crap Trump self imposed on himself. Lawyers for a lot more than just Democrats would unravel Trump like a ball of string.

    As a former lender myself, doing real estate loans for a long time living, I know that Trump does not dictate to country appraisers the value of taxed land. Any bank has access to such records as do all appraisers paying for the data bank. As to what he told a lender, they send out independent appraisers who will definitely come up with the proper value. Sure they may ask 3 appraisers to make sure they are not lied to. Banks are not stupid my friend. "I know, I also owned an independent appraisal firm with a good number of employees and we were constantly being evaluated by banks.

    Maybe in Australia things like that can be pulled but not now in my country. That fraud from some appraisers has been killed off. Counties do not use independent appraisers either. They have government salary appraisers who are told what to do and how high to jump.
     
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  12. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since when are crimes simply assumed? I know, when former Obama officials decide to.
     
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    Puffery?

    Well....what I have said about Valuations is apparently one reason why that State Prosecutor is after Trump's Tax Returns. Whether his Accountant must release them is off to SCOTUS to determine. So...we will see.
     
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    I believe you allege you own a bridge. Be cautious in what you brag about.
    Property taxes paid in the past for real estate can be a definite business write off. However tax records like that are public.

    Here is what you told the forum. "I have a lovely bridge across Sydney Harbour you might like to buy."


    We suffer a tax system that was declared wrong in our own supreme court until the Congress added several words to the constitution. That is right, a very few words and viola the villians in congress can levy tens of thousands of taxes on us. I fight this all the time. It is a terrible law. We must be taxed, but incomes is the wrong place to levy such taxes. The founders decided it is wrong.

    My hope is Trump defeats the infestation known as lawyers in the corrupt state of New York. If you recall the Mafia, it had its headquarters there too.
     
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    The cast of accusers who are deeply ingrained in the liberal deep state and under the control of Adam Schiff?.

    The whistle blower who is not actually whistle blower?

    Ya know, the same person who got fired for leaking?

    Using a active duty military officer to tell a foreign official not to listen to Trump?

    Schiff's lawyers writing the whistle blower complaint?

    Nah.......no worries right?
     
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    Yes, that is what I said in response to your suggestion that Trump's book-keeper would be as pure as the driven snow. Both are equally preposterous. If SCOTUS finds in favour of Trump (and after all that is the job he sent Kavanaugh there to do) he gets to hide his returns. Buggered if I know why he wants to do that, given he said he would voluntarily release them. But, there ya go.
     
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    RodB, if they are aware of hearsay rule, and the many, many exceptions to the hearsay rule, and they have studied law and practiced law, then I trust that they will know rather instinctively how much of the testimony that they are hearing is encumbered by that in the Senate, more than I trust you to know how much they will be encumbered by it. .
     
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    Gotta wonder if the staggering obtuseness on display in that statement is genuine or trolling... [​IMG]
     
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    He should have never bragged he owns the bridge over the harbor at Sydney.
     
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    We know right now the Senate shall brush this all aside. They have a good number of lawyers there.
     
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    True, and that is why they are going public now. Once they have these depositions on record, the dangers of a public hearing is more limited with respect to witness collaboration and tactical advantage to their personal attorneys reading the other testimony and predicting exactly where the questions will lead and where the traps that will be set which special prosecutors like Mueller, Ken Starr,and Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski all avoided by not publishing everyone's testimony in advance. In this case you are combining the special prosecutor's roll, and the House Judiciary/ impeachment committee rolls and now we are moving from one into the other.
     
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    Taking it literally doesn't help your credibility in the least, but whatevah splits your banana... [​IMG]
     
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    Yes we know they will not be jurors. They intend to rig the result, and engage in the equivalent of jury nullification without regard to law, or fact.
     
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    Democrats rigged this from prior to Trump being sworn in. If you dish it out, learn to smile as you get it right back.
     
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    So you do not mind him lying?
     

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