No testimony from whistle blower

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  1. Bush Lawyer

    Bush Lawyer Well-Known Member

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    Well...'rig' might be a tad harsh. But...blindly partisan, surely. As others have said in more colourful language, Trump could take a dump in the House and the House Republicans would congratulate him on defecation well done.
     
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  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even you do not actually expect to win this brawl do you? We had a far more substantial case against Clinton and he remained as president. Get used to more Trump. We know as a fact this is not about impeachment, this is the Democrats pulling in fact what the Russians got blamed for against the entire public. This is a Russian style farce in spades. This is a campaign in favor of all the Democrats. We know it and you know it.
     
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    So you actually took him literally? [​IMG]
     
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    Because it is the President asking a foreign government to get involved in US politics.

    How can anyone NOT think that is wrong?

    It is why Presidents have, since Nixon, kept their noses out of DOJ business. Presidents should NOT ask for ANY criminal investigation to be launched, particularly of a political opponent. It is the DOJ's responsibility to identify and investigate potential crimes, and it should be completely independent.

    What you are advocating - a President asking anyone, foreign or domestic - to investigate a political rival is what happens in banana republics and dictatorships. It is horrifying that so many Americans seem to think it is ok.
     
  5. Hoosier8

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    That is the dem clown show narrative. He did the same thing to Porshenko in 2017 because he wanted to make sure we were not wasting taxpayer money. Ukraine is well known for its corruption.
     
  6. GraspingforPeace

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    Except, y’know, the difference being that it was explicitly ordered to withhold funding SOLELY based on a public announcement by Ukraine that they were investigating the Bidens, as has been repeatedly demonstrated by the witnesses called thus far.
     
  7. Hoosier8

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    LOL, again the dem clown show narrative. The witness testimony is devastating to the dem clown show but the useful idiots would have to actually read it.
     
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  8. hawgsalot

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    He released both before the dems even announced the new inquiry, so good luck with that. Trump can use executive privilege just like Obama, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Reagan and every other President in the modern era but you want to impeach on that? You guys are getting desperate here.
     
  9. mngam

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    You already knew this...

    TRUMP ADMIN RELEASES $250M IN MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE: The Trump administration is releasing $250 million in military aid after lawmakers raised concerns over its delay, members of the Senate Appropriations Committee announced Thursday.

    What happened: The decision came as members of the committee met to mark-up spending bills.

    Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.), the top Democrat on the subcommittee, had offered an amendment to require that the 2020 aid allocated for Ukraine be spent on time, and threatened to put a hold on $5 billion of the Pentagon's administrative money until they did.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...-military-aid-to-ukraine#bottom-story-socials
    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/461195-overnight-defense
     
  10. Natty Bumpo

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    George Conway, a conservative Republican lawyer who keeps abreast of Trumpery, had concisely illustrated the absurdity of the Trumpers attempted, desperate distraction.
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    The whistleblower is a public-spirited citizen who dropped a dime when he witnessed suspicious activity.

    Multiple, reliable, knowledgable witnesses have confirmed the propriety of his having drawn the authorities attention to the caper.

    Others subpoenaed are being gagged in an attempt to conceal what they know.

    The impeachment inquiry will proceed, publicly, with a minimum of distractive deviance.

    The House will impeach.

    The Senate will acquit.

    A consequently more knowledgable American public will issue its verdict in 2020.
     
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    Yea witnesses have felt, thought, and presumed but the only damn one that actually talked to Trump said he presumed it as well but Trump told him point blank no quid pro quo's of any kind. Find us a witness that says Trump told him directly to hold the funds based on an investigation. The documentation when the money was held clearly lays out concerns of other countries not doing their part, and it's the very first thing in transcript. If you want to impeach on I heard, I felt or I presumed be my guest you will lose huge in 2020.
     
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  12. RodB

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    It seems it is your belief that the Senate follows due process but the House has no obligation of due process, and it is acceptable and the House is perfectly free to use Soviet style inquisitions in the United States.
     
  13. hawgsalot

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    Hmm if the 911 caller met with the police before he called about the robbery, I'm sure many would want to know why. Almost as dumb as you calling Conway a conservative lawyer as if he's a trump supporter.
     
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    If the dime-dropper had asked a policeman what he should do concerning a suspicion he had concerning a crime in which he did not wish to become involved, and the police officer suggested how he should report his suspicion, that would not attach any significance to the dime-dropper's identity whatsoever.

    George Conway is not a RINO of Trumpery. He is a conservative member of the conservative Federalist Society. He had been on Trump's short list of candidates for US Solicitor General. He was one of the lawyers who represented Paula Jones in her lawsuit against Bill Clinton. During the representation of Jones, he worked closely with Ann Coulter and Matt Drudge. (He dated right wing media entertainer Laura Ingraham.) In 2017, Conway was reported to be Trump's nominee as assistant attorney general to head the Civil Division at the U.S. Department of Justice, but announced that he had declined the post.

    In November 2018, Conway organized a group, "Checks and Balances," composed of more than a dozen members of the ultra-conservative Federalist Society, The New York Times reported the group was "urging their fellow conservatives to speak up about what they say are the Trump administration’s betrayals of bedrock legal norms." - "Conservative lawyers are not doing enough to protect constitutional principles that are being undermined by the statements and actions of this president."
     
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    The reason that Schiff is not allowing the whistleblower to testify is because the whistleblower wishes to remain anonymous and his testimony is no longer useful or necessary. I don't believe the same applies to Senator Johnson. Instead, I believe that Senator Johnson will not be called because he is a Senator and that entitles him to a degree of respect.
     
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    ...how?
     
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    By not allowing the necessary witnesses
     
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    Most of these questions are based on a conspiracy theorist's understanding of the facts.

    You have zero reason to believe that the whistleblower is not a whistleblower - he was confirmed such by the Trump appointed ICIG. You have zero proof that he was ever fired for leaking. And you have absolutely no proof that Schiff's lawyers wrote the whistleblower complaint.
     
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    Democrats are not blocking the testimony from the OMB folks, Mulvaney, or John Bolton. That is Trump.
     
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    Check your timeline.

    Trump released the the transcript and the whistleblower complaint the day after Nancy Pelosi announced the start of the impeachment inquiry.

    And Trump is not claiming executive privilege, he is claiming absolute immunity as to all current and former executive employees.
     
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    They're from a group called GetUp. very similar to Adbusters in Vancouver, Canada, who started the Occupy Wall Street campaign. They're global now and all hard Leftists. https://www.getup.org.au/
     
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    Yes, I do know that there were other events that also happened just before Trump released the money. The fact remains that one of those events, an event that happened two days before he released the money, is that Congress was notified about the existence of a credible and urgent whistleblower complaint.

    But if you want to convince yourself that an offered amendment is the reason Trump released the funds, you go for it.
     
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    HaHa……...Schiff changed his mind about him testifying after it was found that he/staff met with the WB before he even filed the complaint, if he had to answer questions it would expose how this entire thing has been engineered by them.
     
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    Natto I enjoy your post but even you have to admit your side is betting on a razor thin argument.

    To date
    Money released

    UK President publicly saying no QPC and no pressure

    Transcript that doesn't come close to saying if you do this I'll do that

    A bunch of testimony that says I didn't hear it from Trump but thought, felt or presumed there was a QPQ. All the while expecting everyone to ignore the one testimony that actually did talk to Trump and was told by Trump no QPQ of any kind, which was relayed via text before any of this broke.

    To say this is flimsy is an understatement and once these people are crossed in public, we all know it's going to come across as total hearsay
     
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    So...he changed his mind five weeks ago? Because that's how long ago we learned that Schiff's staff had contact with the WB.
     

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