9-11 Truthers & Holocaust Deniers

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  1. Just_a_Citizen

    Just_a_Citizen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ignored for pushing bullshit
     
  2. pitbull

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    Did I sound like a leftist (regarding your signature)? :D
     
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    Yes. The connection is that the establishment is full of lies and literally everything is a potential conspiracy.

    Holocaust denial takes some real mental gymnastics to accept, but not as much as convincing oneself that everything we're taught in school and see on the news must be true.

    I'll take even a holocaust denier or a flat earther over an establishment cultist any day of the week.
     
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    Yeah, so was 9/11, "who could have imagined?".

    Nazi Germany was a western country, period.

    Yeah, they DO (did) mass murder and commit all sorts of atrocities on their own citizens, that WESTERN COUNTRY, just like good old USA Army did with their "citizens" (the ones who were there for perhaps 40,000 years, give or take?). So you mean the German government at that time were psychopaths who murder innocent people? What about this government?:

     
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    of course YOU would.

    :p
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    9-11 Truthers don't understand the difference between dynamic and static forces.

    Holocaust Deniers believe the testimony of ANY Jew who claims to have witnessed gas chambers, mass-shootings, mass-starvation, mass-deportation or any other major elements of the Holocaust is a liar.

    Holocaust Deniers believe that ANY German or other non-Jew who testifies about gas chambers, mass-shootings, mass-starvation, mass-deportation or any other major elements of the Holocaust is a liar. They literally refuse to even CONSIDER such testimony.

    its all pretty ****ing sad.
     
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    Denial of the Holocaust is prohibited by law in some European countries. This makes friends of Holocaust denial believe that their government wants to protect a big lie. Probably 9/11-Truthers may think similar.

    Conspiracy theorists tick this way. :(
     
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    You mean they question authority? Is that bad?
     
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    The Nazis believed (and neo-Nazis believe it until today) that Jews are dangerous and want to exterminate the White Race. So they had to be faster and in turn, kill all the Jews before they kill them.

    To make killing easier, Nazis did not define Jews as humans, but rather as vermin (Cyclone B is a delousing agent!). From the Nazi point of view, their own actions were reasonable. They had lost touch with reality long ago.
     
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    Not necessarily. But it can be quite a mistake.
     
  11. Bob0627

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    Why did you sidestep the second question? YOU quoted it. Or maybe you mean the answer to it is similar to the above with respect to Muslims. Yeah, a WESTERN psychopathic government that commits all sorts of war crimes 24/7 under pretext of 9/11. You can't even see the forest for the trees. And oh yeah, the US government didn't define American Indians as humans either (they were popularly called "savages") and wanted to exterminate them because they were in the way. That's what some WESTERN governments do.
     
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    You're exaggerating, bro.

    Western governments are not psychopathic, but some members can actually be criminals. When they commit crimes, these acts are also considered crimes and the government seeks to correct this.

    Not so in rogue states like Russia. Vlad has already murdered some critical journalists and opposition figures and nobody tries to bring him to justice. While the Donald currently has to be afraid of being kicked out of office for much lower offense than Pootin.
     
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    Yeah that must be it, war crimes and other human rights atrocities can only be committed by psychopathic governments in countries YOU decided are not "Western" because if they are "Western" these war crimes and other human rights atrocities are an "exaggeration". There are 2 different dictionaries you use for your mental comfort. It's the same kind of propaganda used by those same governments. The US government is not a terrorist organization, it merely massacres those the US government labels terrorists who commit acts of violence against the US because they are being invaded and massacred by the US government.

    Sorry, I don't do hypocritical moving goalposts, war crimes are war crimes committed by psychopaths for power and profit no matter who these war criminals are and where they come from.

    http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/meiklejohn/meik-peacelaw/meik-peacelaw-10.html
     
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    Another "Strawman" argument.

    "Holocaust Denier" is a deliberately deceptive epithet hurled by gullible holocaustian cultists for anyone who doesn't believe the entire standard holocaust narrative.

    I dare you to find any Post at this forum where anyone has claimed that: "... ANY Jew who claims to have witnessed gas chambers, mass-shootings, mass-starvation, mass-deportation or any other major elements of the Holocaust is a liar."

    OR

    I dare you to find any Post at this forum where anyone has claimed that: "...ANY German or other non-Jew who testifies about gas chambers, mass-shootings, mass-starvation, mass-deportation or any other major elements of the Holocaust is a liar."


    According to your definition, there are no "holocaust deniers" at this forum.
     
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    HC Deniers are folks like Ursula Haverbeck who deliberately spread untruths about the Holocaust. Ursula is now in jail. If she comes out again, she will surely continue to deny the HC as if nothing had happened. :(
     
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    It's only "bad" when the authority's narrative is fraudulent and cannot be defended in an open & honest debate.

    According to an ADL study, the vast majority of people around the world do not believe the inflated, standard holocaust narrative so that would make the world's few holocaustian cultists the "whacky conspiracy theorists".

    ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    I think that you're confusing "holocaust denial" with "holocaust revisionism".

    For example, does Ursula Haverbeck believe that: "...ANY Jew who claims to have witnessed gas chambers, mass-shootings, mass-starvation, mass-deportation or any other major elements of the Holocaust is a liar."

    OR

    Does she believe that: "...ANY German or other non-Jew who testifies about gas chambers, mass-shootings, mass-starvation, mass-deportation or any other major elements of the Holocaust is a liar."
     
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    Nope,
    Ursula denies the existence of the Auschwitz gas chambers and consequently their use for mass murder.
    This is possible only with malicious intent. Stupidity and ignorance are not enough.
    :(
     
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    Since you are a German, I realize that by law you are not allowed to disagree with the standard holocaust narrative.

    From what I've read, Ms. Haverbeck does not deny that the holocaust "happened", therefore, I simply think that it is inaccurate to call her a "holocaust denier".

    Like the "human fat soap", "human skin lampshades", "homicidal steam chambers", "conveyor belt of death" (1) and other frauds promoted by the Holocaust Industry, I, like most people around the world, do not believe the propaganda myth about homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz.

    My beliefs are certainly not based on malice, stupidity or ignorance but on decades of research and having spoken with at least a dozen holocaust survivors who, like the Red Cross discovered,(2) denied any knowledge of homicidal gas chambers.



    (1) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED



    “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/

    EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED
     
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    It wasn't that complicated an exercise... and it certainly was a small conspiracy.. The truthers would have had to have a conspiracy of thousands like a DeMille epic.
     
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    The Nazi's are on video record machine-gunning civilians into mass graves. Why it matters so much whether thay also gassed them (or not) doesn't make any sense to me. Its not like machine-gunning civilians into mass graves is more acceptable than gassing them or conveyor-belting them...
     
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    That's the old trick of denyalist that if they can demonstrate that a single item is wrong than all of it is wrong.
    In short, if the document shows that one million has been gased and then they find out that only 999,000 were gased than in their mind, no one was gased!
     
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    There's plenty of evidence that both sides executed innocent civilians via machine guns, fire bombing(1) etc. I don't know about you but I'd rather be shot than burned alive.

    The fictional homicidal gas chambers, "Conveyor belts of Death" etc are fabrications intended to have the same grisly shock effect as the fake "human fat soap", "human skin lampshades" and other phony props.

    It's a marketing ploy by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry(2) to make their "product" seem more horrific than the many other equal or greater mass tragedies.





    (1) “I do not want suggestions as to how we can disable the economy and the machinery of war, what I want are suggestions as to how we can roast the German refugees on their escape from Breslau.”
    Prime Minister Winston Churchill
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/01/28/winston-churchill-the-imperial-monster/


    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
     
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    Of course there’s not one single invented theory of yours that addresses anything I posted, as usual.
     

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