Uh oh, Sondland Revises Impeachment Testimony

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  1. MMC

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    LMAO disastrous day. Blue got Bluer Red got Redder.

    Saying Trump did wrong for doing the same thing any other President did. Means nothing.

    Let us know when you finally figure out how the Demos destroyed themselves.
     
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    Taylor said he did not speak to the president, or have any direct communication with the president regarding the requests for investigations. Instead, he said he was basing much of his testimony on what former United States Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations Kurt Volker and Sondland told him.....snip~


    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/co...ey-said-in-2017-posts-calling-for-impeachment


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    Washington (AFP) - President Donald Trump's son published on Wednesday the name of the alleged anonymous whistleblower whose complaint fired the impeachment inquiry against Trump, breaking strict conventions for protecting officials who reveal wrongdoing in government.

    Amid calls by the president himself to expose the whistleblower, Donald Trump Jr. tweeted the name of a CIA analyst which has circulated online for weeks, and linked to a Breitbart news article implying the person was pro-Democrat and anti-Trump.

    AFP could not independently verify the whistleblower's identity and is not publishing the name.


    https://news.yahoo.com/impeachment-trumps-son-tweets-name-alleged-whistleblower-154514188.html

    Laws, rules, "strict conventions" mean nothing to the Trump's. They are rogue politicians, and their diminishing base loves them for it. To hell with the rule of law. They sent Trump to Washington to create chaos at the highest levels of our government, and they could not be happier.

    Want proof? Read their posts.
     
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    It would behoove you to read Sondland's entire transcript, most especially paragraph 4.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/julio...timony-does-not-confirm-quid-pro-quo-n2555965
     
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    I was really hoping someone would use that Fox argument which is also being used by Jordan and Meadows. It is ridiculous. That is why no one but you has used the argument.

    Taylor was not a member of Trump's cabinet. He was the ambassador to Ukraine. Rarely do ambassadors speak directly to the President. Taylor's immediate bosses are the senior members of the state department. That is where Taylor gets his information and his instructions.

    Are you saying there is no chain of command in the Trump White House? Are you saying the only acceptable evidence is from the accused, Trump? We know the Congressionally approved military aid was held up a few days before the July 25 phone call. Are you saying someone other than the President had the power to do that? Are you saying the information Taylor got from his chain of command is meaningless? If that is the case, then the Trump government is far more chaotic than many thought.

    Yet that is the fallacious argument desperate Trump Republicans and Fox are using.

    "Instead, he said he was basing much of his testimony on what former United States Special Representative for Ukraine Negotiations Kurt Volker and Sondland told him."

    Taylor said he and others "sat in astonishment" as a White House Office of Management and Budget official said during a July 18 inter-agency call that Trump had ordered a hold on military assistance to Ukraine.

    "That was my clear understanding, security assistance money would not come until the president [of Ukraine] committed to pursue the investigation,"
    Taylor said.

    What did Trump say? "I would like you to do us a favor though. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."

    You can't get anymore direct than that.
     
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    Mark Meadows

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    Seeing many overblown (and outright false) reports about Ambassador Sondland's testimony. Here's what he actually said.

    1. I did not (and still don't) know why aid was held up
    2. I "PRESUMED" it was because of corruption
    3. I told Yermak my assumption

    See paragraph 4 here:

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    Oh the point....you Never Trumpers and the Democrats will be needing to go back to the impeachment drawing Board.

    Btw that is what Taylor stated. Basing much of his testimony on what Volker and Sondland told him.

    So some more of that he said, she said BS.
     
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    Taking a para out of context is misleading. What Sondland "presumed" was confirmed by Trump and the witnesses who were on the call.

    "I would like you to do us a favor though. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me."
     
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    Senator Lindsey Graham, one of Trump's staunchest supporters, appears to be confused. His latest defense of Trump is that Trump's Ukraine policy is "incoherent." No kidding, that is what he said.

    "What I can tell you about the Trump policy toward Ukraine: It was incoherent, it depends on who you talk to, they seem to be incapable of forming a quid pro quo," Graham said.

    Graham told reporters that he would not be reading newly released deposition transcripts, calling the Democratic-led impeachment probe a “bunch of BS."

    Graham told us that he hopes the President will be able to call his own witnesses. Assuming it would be the White House staff who would support Trump on the witness stand, apparently Graham doesn't know that it is the President who is stonewalling White House staff from testifying.

    When Fox News host Martha MacCallum asked Graham about Sondland's testimony, Graham contrived a conspiracy accusing Sondland of switching up his testimony because of a “connection” with Democratic operatives.

    “Why did [Sondland] change his testimony?” Graham said. “Was there a connection between [Sondland] and Democratic operatives on the committee? Did he talk to Schiff? Did he talk to Schiff’s staffers?”

    Graham didn't even know the name of the witness. He kept referring to Gordon Sondland as “Sunderland.”

    It is clear that Graham is losing it, and the Senator has no idea what is going on. Was he sober when he said that? This conspiracy is beyond comprehension.
    Sondland is, after all, a Trump-appointed ambassador, a poltical appointee, not an experienced envoy. He is also a Republican mega-donor who reportedly contributed $1 million to Trump’s inaugural committee.

    This is the same ambassador whom Trump recently described as “a really good man” and a “great American.”

    And yet, we’re now supposed to believe that Sondland may be in league with House Democrats?

    Well, according to Graham, that is a possibility. Actually, Sondland revised his testimony because his lawyer told him that perjury in a Congressional hearing is a federal crime punishable by imprisonment. In his previous testimony, Sondland lied to protect Trump.

    Graham is the perfect example of the confusion and the problems Trump Republicans have trying desperately to come up with some angle to defend Trump. As Graham illustrates, it is a losing endeavor.
     
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    Trump's fans remain silent on the mounting evidence. Is it time for them to admit that Trump committed an impeachable offense by requesting foreign interference in our Presidential election to benefit him politically and extorting the Ukrainian president? Their total silence indicates they know that is true.

    Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, as a member of the NSC, was listening in on the July 25 call.

    House investigators released transcripts of key depositions from two national security officials Friday after acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney defied a subpoena and skipped a scheduled closed-door deposition at the Capitol. The testimony of Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman and Fiona Hill was made public today.

    “Lt. Col. Vindman testified that the July 25, 2019, call between President Trump and the Ukrainian president led him to report immediately to lawyers at the White House his serious concerns about political investigations the President pressed for on the call,” the statement said.

    “Lt. Col. Vindman also told the Committees that the ‘demand’ by President Trump for the announcement of a politically-motivated investigation into a U.S. citizen by a foreign country forced him to make a‘moral and ethical’ judgment, and led to his concern that the act could ‘undermine U.S. national security."

    Hill was “a respected Russia and Ukraine expert who served as Lt. Col. Vindman’s supervisor” and said she “detailed how senior officials at the White House, including National Security Advisor John Bolton, shared her serious concern about efforts prior to the July 25 call to push Ukraine to undertake these politically-motivated investigations, and about her efforts, at Mr. Bolton’s direction, to report this activity to senior White House officials.”

    Hill resigned her post in August.
     
  11. Lee Atwater

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    The longer the inquiry goes on the greater the chances Gordo gets hit with a perjury charge. Besides lying, the mistake he made was thinking he could get away with it...........probably because Don makes lying look so easy.
     
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    I'm looking through my list of impeachable offenses through my special CIA invisible ink decoder ring....and yup...there it is...disagreeing with the deep state advisors about what constitutes the national interest. There it is. His duck is cooked.

    That whole president head of the executive part of the constitution was clearly a misprint. I mean, since these guys testifying about Trump's motives are so good at mind reading, we should just make them king of America, and get rid of the presidency entirely, right?
     
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    Nobody is challenging the prez's right to set policy. The problem is he wasn't setting it with the country in mind, he was setting with himself in mind. Got it?
     
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    You've spent a lot of time in the president's mind I take it?
     
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    Wait until you hear what Sondland actually said. Sounds like 5th hand knowledge.
     
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    Maybe you can practice on this. Then you will see the picture a little better.
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    In political dot connection you can put the numbers wherever you like. You want that to look like a duck? I can make it look like a duck.
     
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    No, I read the transcript of the Zelensky call and listened to the testimony of........well..........everyone who has not been blocked from testifying by Don. It's not possible you still believe the canard that Don was really just concerned about corruption, is it?
     
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    So...you can't hear people's thoughts? Huh.

    This sounds to me a lot like the kind of situation we have when people hear things that only racists can hear. What do they call that? Dog Whistles? That's it. This is the same thing. Democrats hear people saying things that only racists can hear and come to the conclusion that the people saying it must be racists.

    In the same way, the president was crime whistling to people who think like criminals and so they project those crime thoughts onto the president.

    Of course, no one at this point has even alleged any kind of crime took place at all. The president is allowed to do things that benefit him politically if it's actually part of his job description to do. And like it or not, asking a foreign leader to investigate a potential crime is definitely in the president's job description. Not only is he allowed, that's how the system is designed to work.

    Do the democrats really not want to know if one of their potential presidential candidates is a criminal?
     
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    Don't have to. I read the words they say.
     
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    Speaking of crime whistling, this whistle can only be heard by people who are inept criminals apparently. The allegation is that the president bribed someone to invent criminal activity, and then paid the money without receiving an envelope filled with lascivious stories about illicit meeting with prostitutes in piss soaked beds?

    Oh wait. That was someone else.
     
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    Right. He said, "My ultra top secret intent which I haven't actually spoken out loud is to bribe someone to dig up dirt on an opponent that I don't think I could beat politically otherwise"
     
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    Based on yesterdays testimony looks like Sondland will have to ask for another redo????How many chances do yet get before you are hit with a perjury charge???
     

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