More than 200 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza after Islamic Jihad leader killed

Hahaha... if anything, the Press is 98% under the blanket with Israel... they would never twist anything in favor of Israel the other way. Forget that excuse.
And don't you remember General Wesley Clark's video? Here it is again:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...4D59CD4C6F8420A97B864D59CD4C6F8420A&FORM=VIRE

Seven countries in five years!!! Syria among them. That indicates, the war against Syria was planned way before there were any rebels or jihadists. If the Russians hadn't come in in 2015 to help fight the "rebels", Syria would be done and over by now. That was such a genius chess stroke of Putin, pretending he didn't know the US was supporting the rebels, not fighting them!!

So, Mr. Lendman has expressed himself correctly. I know, it is your duty as a hired Hasbarista to try hard to always make Israel look innocent and in its right "to defend itself!"

 

It's good to take on ideas you don't agree with. These ideas can only make your own
ideas stronger
1 - you will learn how to take on opposing ideas
2 - you will modify your own ideas to make them stronger.

 

Got **** to do with ideas. Both groups have none.

Moderates are fine.

The rest? To the woodchipper.

 

What nation was going to hand over twenty thousand square kilometers
for Jews to create their own nation? Not even Russia would countenance
that.

 

Certainly, the best politics is MODERATION.

 

The Left calls that fascism now.

I'm a fiscally conservative Libertarian BTW.... Used to be a Blue Dog.

Damn near dead center on the Compass.

 

No doubt we should have never gone to war in Iraq. And no, I've just been out of politics for the last three years so my memory of the events of the war in Syria is wrong (hazy at best). You were correct there is plenty of evidence to suggest Israel worked with the lesser of two evils to further it's goals in the region and safeguard against a vulnerable border with Syria. Namely, with jihadist groups fighting to overthrow Assad. The only distinction I will make is that this was in limited capacity. In the sense that the Syrian conflict had been primarily a humanitarian effort on behalf of Israel. And they actually did great work, I'm quite surprised how much aid they provided and how well they took care of wounded warriors and innocent civilians caught in the crossfire.

Where I will draw the line is the prevailing theory that Israel created ISIS or funded them heavily beyond the conflict in Syria. I'm just afraid people think Israel created ISIS / ISIL as a method to gain more control of the ME. Or to keep the military industrial complex churning. If they did use ISIS fighters in Syria to fight against Assad, it was not because they agreed with their ideology it was the lesser of two evils - Netanyahu didnt not like the idea of Iran, a sworn enemy of Israel, to be knocking at the back door. Not to mention the threat of nuclear weapons.

In early July 2017, Israel's defence minister Avigdor Liberman said that while ″the rebels are not our friends, they are all versions of al-Qaida", Israel could not allow a man like Assad to remain in power: “Keeping Assad in power is not in our security interests. As long as he is in power, Iran and Hezbollah will be in Syria.” He said that Israel had no interest in entering the Syrian civil war, but there were ″red lines″ Israel had set, such as the smuggling of sophisticated weaponry to Hezbollah and Iran's presence on its borders. Later in July 2017, the Israeli government said it opposed the cease-fire agreement in southern Syria that the United States, Russia, and Jordan had reached a week prior that envisaged establishing de-escalation zones along Syria's borders with both Jordan and Israel, as that would legalise Iran's presence in Syria.

What is your take on the founding of ISIS? Who was involved, in your opinion.

 

What you say is simply false. While the issue of the origin of the Askhkenaz Jews cannot really be settled, one thing is certain: the so-called "Khazar theory" (a misnomer itself) is not 'disproved bunk'.

I will present here two articles which represent the latest in genetic and linguistic studies on the origin of the Askhenazi Jews below. Before doing so, here a few points that I would make:

1- Ashk-e-naz is a perfectly intelligible cognate in Persian, combining two Persian words, "Ashk" meaning "tears", "Naz" meaning "cute", with the -e- in the middle representing in Persian grammar the mechanism to connect an adjective to a noun. Ashk-e-Naz translating literally in Persian to "Cute Tears".

2- As a historic term, the term "Ashkenaz" was widely used in ancient texts in the region to refer to the "Scythian" tribes in Eurasia, which is how the term is used even in the Hebrew Bible.

3- Linguistically, Yiddish contains diverse influences but those include (undeniably) influences from Germanic, Slavic and Iranian languages (all part of the larger "Indo-European" family of languages) along with Hebrew (a Semitic language) along with some minor Turkic influences (an Altaic language related to Mongolian and other far eastern languages).

4- Genetically, the maternal DNA of Ashkhenazi Jews are consistent with a "European ancestry" while the paternal one is consistent with "Near Eastern" ancestry. That by itself, however, doesn't help explain either the "European" or the "Middle Eastern" ancestry as the "Scythian tribes" (Slavo-Iranian tribes which exhibited Nordic features based on the description given to them by classical Greco-Roman sources and in Iranian historiography and mythology, but who spoke an Iranian language) would have had similar DNA traits as other Europeans.

5- The paternal DNA evidence does suggest Near Eastern ancestry. However, Jewish identity was itself an evolving concept and it really emerged as a result of New Judaism during the Persian period (Achaemenid empire), with that identity taking shape most clearly at the time of the Roman-Parthian period (before the Sassanian empire and the so-called "Khazar kingdom) where you now suddenly had various sources refer to a group of people as "Jews" (including in classical Greco-Roman sources). Previously what are now called "Jews" had been described as "Palestinian Syrians" by Herodotus, and not referred to as "Jews" in any other culture, with the province of "Judea" as part of the Syrian satrapy of the Achaemenid empire only emerging in the latter years of the Achaemenid period. Of course, based on Biblical mythology, the Jews then trace their ancestry to "Israelite" tribes, but before new Judaism and strictures against intermarriage which were introduced as a result, that ancestry was itself a mixed one which was largely indistinguishable from other Semitic tribes which had mixed together in the region.

https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-news/genetic-roots-of-the-ashkenazi-jews-38580
Genetic Roots of the Ashkenazi Jews
Most Ashkenazi Jews, traditionally believed to have descended from the ancient tribes of Israel, may in fact be maternally descended from prehistoric Europeans.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478715/
Front Genet. 2017; 8: 87.
Published online 2017 Jun 21. doi: 10.3389/fgene.2017.00087
PMCID: PMC5478715
PMID: 28680441
The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish
Ranajit Das,1 Paul Wexler,2 Mehdi Pirooznia,3 and Eran Elhaik4,*

 

Which is why Israeli joined the coalition of the willing - and helped to support the Massive Global effort to arm and supply and support the radical Islamist Jihadist proxy army - run by Al Qaeda/ISIS -

The first question is "which ISIS" and what is ISIS. ISIS was an Al Qaeda spawned group in Iraq - decimated during the surge - there were a few rag tag left but pretty much wiped out.

ISIS in Syria was something completely different... Some of the foreign fighters from Iraq would been of this group - but very small in number in comparison to what happened in Syria. ISIS in Syria was not present in the beginning - as an entity - Al Qaeda - Islamic Front - and numerous other groups hundreds - the vast majority Islamist. Keep in mind that this was a "Holy War" -

In less than 2 years the radical Islamists took over most of Syria - Assad was Demascus and surrounding area. Sharia courts were set up in all the cities - dark age style - This was a massive effort involving major nation states.

In late 2013 numerous of these groups - including the massive number of foreign fighters that had poured into Syria from all over the world - declared an Islamic State IS - Islamic State in the Levant ... shortly after in 2014 - This new state move into Iraq. Islamic State of Syria and Iraq ISIS - Sure the old leaders of ISIS ended up in important positions .. what else would we expect ?

Moving into Iraq caused a problem. Our dog in Syria had gone off its leash. Now we were in a position where we were supporting ISIS in Syria - but fighting them in Iraq.

This necessitated the "Moderate Rebel Lie" - and the propaganda machine went full tilt. Within a year it was clear that we had made a big mistake - this new state we created had Assad on the ropes but - there were - horrible atrocities - all over youtube. People were saying some publicly and more privately -(since come out after - Flynn being one of them who was head of the DIA at the time) do we want the Black Flag of ISIS over Syria ?

Warnings from the DIA had been coming since 2012 - and predicted the rise of the Islamic State - then the prediction came true .. and - things were getting ugly.

Rand Paul went on CNN's sunday morning show "State of the Union" in 2014 and described the situation to a tee.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...-my-son-into-that-mess-on-the-crisis-in-iraq/

 

In my understanding of the ME conflict it is both, US and Israel working together to liquidate countries adjoining Israel. ISIL was recruited and funded by the US and Israel.

Here are some google Headlines...

All the evidence point to the fact that ISIS was created by the US & Israel and funded by Saudi Arabia.

ISIS Is a US-Israeli Creation.

America Created Al-Qaeda and the ISIS Terror Group.

The United States, Israel, and Saudi Arabia Created and Funded ISIS

 

True, although the genesis of the assistance to Sunni jihadist elements by US, Israel and Saudi Arabia goes back further to what was described by Seymour Hersh in his article in the New Yorker called the "Redirection".

The leadership of Al Queda in Iraq has links to what became ISIS, but the two organizations had differences in composition. Before that, let me be clear: Al Queda in Iraq was not decimated during the surge. It was mainly co-opted by the US with the help of Arab Sunni tribal leaders in Iraq, many of them -- along with ex Ba'athist officers -- recruited as part of a large Sunni army called the Sons of Iraq. This marriage between ex Ba'athist officers from Saddam's military, US training, Us arms, Saudi funding, and Sunni Jihadist foot-soldiers, was critical to what became ISIS -- and what really distinguished it from its antecedent offshoot, namely Al Queda in Iraq. An organizational structure was created that could now be recruited by Al Queda in Iraq and its jihadist leaders, to form the army that became IS and later ISIS.

A collection of Sunni Islamic jihadist forces arose in the context of the Syrian civil war, each funded, armed and supported by someone else (or a combination of them) from outside. The group that retained the label "ISIS" continued to pledge its allegiance to Al Baghdadi and his ilk as part of the caliphate whose center was Iraq. The rest were supported by different foreign countries. Some of them supported by Saudi Arabia, others by Qatar/Turkey, and others by the UAE. All of them had the implicit and sometimes explicit backing of the US and Israel in the fight against Assad.

The "Moderate Rebel Lie" is a good description, but the reason for the lie isn't exactly as you mention. In fact, the US joined the fight against ISIS in Iraq comparatively late in the game. Many of the Iraqi shia and Kurdish groups (including many previously allied to the US in Iraq) would recount in those early years when ISIS seemed poised to takeover Iraq, that it was only Iran that was willing to supply them with weapons and help.

The "Moderate Rebel Lie" is necessary because obviously neither "Sunni Jihadist" ideology, nor their associations with many acts of terrorism against western targets including 9/11, would be a good sell for the American public. The US would, therefore, try to find and work with 'figureheads' that could represent a so-called "moderate", "democratic", 'westernized', "secular" force against Assad, even though the fact was that only a minority of these type of people in Syria opposed Assad (or opposed him enough in light of the other side of the fight) to want to join this foreign effort to oust Assad. Hence, the actual fighting forces against Assad were always these Jihadist Sunni fighters under whatever tag or label.

 

Of course - but was giving the summarized coles notes version.

Pretty much what I described -

Hence why I call it our Proxy army - and talk about the massive Global effort to arm, supply, and support this army. The person I was posting to was claiming that Israel was not involved in supporting the "radicals" ... had no background in what was happening.

Yes .. we turned on our ally - Al Baghdadi .. We started in Syria with Raqqa - Nov 2016 if memory serves.

Yup - they needed a cover story - The little proxy war had left 400,000 dead, created a refugee crisis, the rise of an Islamic State - one right out of the dark ages .. the horrors of which were being broadcast all over youtube genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes.

The history books will cite the US, El Saud - and numerous others involved as being complicit in war crimes - and crimes against humanity.
This is already under discussion for Yemen - wont be a pretty page.

 

There was a disturbing article about Iran in our Australian newspaper.
Written when three Australians were arrested in Iran. Happened soon
after Australia agreed to a greater presence in Hormuz.
The article pointed out the history of Iran, back to the illegal capture of
US Embassy staff. Iran plays the hostage game. Inevitably in negotiations
with Iran, Western nations find they are negotiating for what have become
HOSTAGES to these evil mullahs.

 

And "all the evidence" now points to Israel creating Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Hamas didn't want to get involved in another bruising war with Israel so did
not involve itself in the latest troubles. This has given PIJ greater street cred.
PIJ has as much munitions as Hamas, and soon, maybe more supporters too.
All thanks to Israel.
But not for one minute would I BLAME Israel for the PIJ. They are a RESULT
of Israel - an altogether different thing.

 

What sources you choose to read is ultimately up to you, but I have a sense your sources do more to mislead than inform you.

Tens of thousands of western tourists visit Iran each year, including many from Australia. Iran prides itself for being a very safe place for western tourists -- something attested almost universally by those who have visited Iran. Of the 3 Australians (among hundreds who visit Iran each year) arrested by Iran, 1 was arrested long before any Australian decision to get involved in the US led force in the Persian Gulf for certain activities that linked her with foreign intelligence services, and 2 were arrested for (possibly innocently) flying a drone without obtaining a license (as required by Iranian law), taking films of a military installation I know well from outside because it is on route to a popular weekend get away from Tehran and has huge signs saying "no photography allowed, Restricted Military Zone". They were eventually freed, possibly in return for freedom for a couple of Iranians held by Australia that the US wanted extradited on ridiculous grounds. (There are many Iranians who are arrested by the US and aren't even charged, but kept because of suspicion of somehow helping Iran circumvent sanctions on totally innocent items of trade without any military application).

Anyway, and to be sure, I don't defend everything Iran does nor do I have great faith in Iran's judicial system always catching the right people even as spies. What I do know, however, is that Iran is actually very safe for western tourists despite having legitimate worries about foreign subversive and espionage activities.

 

We have Obama to thank for emboldening Iran, dont we? In a sense he turned them back into a regional force to be reckoned with, did he not? Why did he do this? I assume this was a small step to further his goal of removing Israel from the face of the earth? One reason i know Obama was bad was because of his preferential treatment of Iran over our friend Israel. Completely paradoxical for an American patriot to do something like that.

What purpose would Netanyahu have in partnering with the United States to create ISIS/ISIL? I can see this being an Obama / deepstate hawkish move to further our selfish ME goals but it seems to me this would be a lose lose situation for Israel. The reasons I ask these questions is because I could never see Obama and Netanyahu seeing eye to eye on ANYTHING middle east related, let alone coming together to build the next generation Islamic terror machine, only to spend billions of dollars to destroy it a few short years later.

Is it safe to say Obama pulled out of Iraq to intentionally create a power vacuum for ISIS to fill? Did Obama use ISIS for ulterior motives? the short answer is yes, but Im saying, did Obama use ISIS to further or satisfy certain private goals that ran contrary to mid east US "diplomacy" and policy at the time? I seem to remember Obama insisting we were making progress against ISIS for years, only to find out that we would take two steps forward then two steps back. Almost like this was intentional, and he was going to hand the buck off to Hillary to finish what he started.

With Trump's unprecedented win over Hillary in 2016 is it safe to say whatever rule book the powers that be (namely, the deep state globalists) in the United States had created for ME policy was thrown out the Window by Trump? Trump's "radical" policy of removing our troops from the ME altogether could not have been a bullet point item for US foreign policy, IMO.

Reason I think the rulebook was thrown out the window is because he did what Obama failed to do for many years: He annihilated ISIS in short order, just like he promised he would.

 

Technically, no, you can't blame Israel for the existence of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, BUT... they would have no reason to exist without the Israeli land theft and brutal occupation!
IF Israel really wanted to live in peace and harmony with its neighbors, they could easily make that effort. But with hostility and brutal power, lies and accusations they get what they ask for... resentment.

 

Trump didn't annihilate ISIS - The Russians came to the Rescue in 2015 - by the time Trump stepped into the white house - the the cities in Syria that were controlled by ISIS/Al Qaeda had been liberated "except" in areas controlled by the US -

It was in late 2016 that we turned on our former ally and started to attack ISIS in Raqqa - the headquarters - with the help of the Kurd's and a whole lot of US air power.

Trump was there for the mop up.. The cleaning crew was already in the building as party was mostly over.

 

I think the United Nations would disagree with your analogy.

The Arab nations were already stirred up by westerners who were telling them where their borders were going to be, and they fully of resented the new borders though out the middle east. Many Arabs through out the middle east saw their historical lands divided up by the English, French, and the League Of Nations.

Ottoman partition ring a bell?

The Jews have been living in the area since the 1100's.

 

I agree. Israel offered Gaza a rail line, sea and airports, industrial parks, land in the Negev,
jobs and investment - BUT ISRAEL DID NOT ABANDONE PALESTINE.
So why should Hamas accept anything other than war without end, even though it is the
defeated party?
What we need to do is kill every Jew. And I mean E.V.E.R.Y. Jew. Particularly the women.
If there was left just one Jewish woman, somewhere in the world you know what will happen:
she will raise her kids as Jews, and tell them the story of Abraham, Moses, King David and
Solomon's Temple. And of course, as every racist person hates Jews, it won't be long before
these kids are yearning to go back to the only nation they can call their own - Israel.

 

Israel and the US are at it again, determined to make sure the earth does not have a future

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/15/us-israel-cast-lone-un-votes-against-historic-peace-measures/

Without the US, Israel and the Middle East would have resolved issues a long long time ago and millions of people would now be alive and have homes to go to...Now when this world is facing man made annihilation, all the US and Israel can think of is spreading their wars and death into Space. Interestingly the owner of Amazon believes we can build pods in space to excape the results of climate destruction. No doubt Israel and the US hope to be able to continue their wars up there. At a time when this world has never before needed intelligence and compassion more, we find ourselves descending back into same ideology of hate and destruction of WW2 with our massively increased powers of destruction, led it would seem by the US and Israel. This suggest massive psychological illness. I was hearing someone say the other day 'what happened to 'Never Again'?'

 

Need a taller wall, I guess.

 

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...rvival-corruption-petah-tikva-arab-joint-list


Do Israeli supporters speak of the lives Israel takes? No, they have reduced them to non human's. Israel to them is doing little more than swatting flies.

 

It is the next generation of American's, those who if we survive will rule that Israel fears.

 

This is Iran's position on Israel, from Iran's top authority. The rest of the article from the Times of Israel is devoted to propaganda, using quotes out of context and without mentioning dozens of similar quotes or worse ones from Israeli and American officials when they threaten Iran.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/khame...ping-out-israel-it-refers-to-regime-not-jews/
Khamenei: When Iran speaks of wiping out Israel it refers to regime, not Jews