Netanyahu claims Hitler did not want to exterminate the Jews, blames Haj Amin al-Husseini

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    Prime minister tells World Zionist Congress that Hitler only wanted to expel the Jews, but Jerusalem's Grand Mufti convinced him to exterminate them, a claim that was rejected by most accepted Holocaust scholars.

    The Grand Mufti met with Hitler in 1941 and the Final Solution was drafted in 1942.

    Netanyahu claims the Grand Mufti played a central role in fomenting the Final Solution


    Came across this earlier today. I have to admit, I had no knowledge of this possible scenario. I wanted to post here and see what the political forum members have to say about it. Do you think this statement made by Netanyahu is grounded in fact? Does he make a valid point? Or do you think Hitler made the decision to exterminate the Jews on his own volition?

    If this is true it would certainly put the Palestinians and their motives under a different light.

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    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt-1.5411578

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    Bibi started this shifting blame to the Mufti about 10 years ago.. Its the latest justification for what the Zionists have done to the Palestinians.
     
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    A Brit who sloppily said that originally they had just wanted to expel the Jews and then went crazy was declared the most dangerous antisemite in the UK and thrown out of his political party.

    I think what got them was that he mentioned the Transfer Agreement and anyone who could possibly imagine that the Nazis had in any way a positive relationship with the Zionists ought to be burned on a spit.

    Strange how Netanyhu can say things which when anyone else says them is considered disgustingly antisemetic.
     
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    Netanyahu tells stupid stuff. :(
    He should better read a holocaust history textbook.
    https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-0-230-21440-8
     
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    Netanyahu's claim is probably accurate.
     

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    This should be obvious to anybody that studies history.

    Hitler did not care much about making the world Judenfree, his only interest was Germany, and the areas Germany controlled. No more than he tried to have killed all Slavs, Blacks, Romani, or any other group. His interest was in the areas under his control, not the entire world.
     
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    The Nazis wanted to move all jews out of Europe early on ..they failed because nobody would take them and even FDR and the USA refused !! Only the British took in a few thousand kids but were paid off .
    US and Canada could have saved some but did nothing.
     
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    They tried to move out a fractional number, and only those with the wealth to pay the exit fees. There was no way they were ever going to allow millions to leave.

    And nowhere that that many could move.

    But this is a claim we see all the time from the apologists. They try to shift the blame to others, saying it was not their fault. As if forcing millions to leave their homes was no big deal.
     
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    USA could have saved a million but do we need more chuck Schumer’s , Boxers , Weinstein’s and Jeff zuckers ???
     
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    No, we could not.

    In 1939, the quota of immigrants from Germany was 27,370. And 1939 was the first time that the quota was actually met. In the year after Kristallnacht, only 115,000 in total fled Germany,mostly to Western Europe.

    And a lot of people who are trying to talk about this are talking about the MC St. Lewis, a German ship with 907 Jews traveling to Cuba. Cuba did not allow them to enter, because they had tourist visas, and Cuba had recently enacted laws requiring a return passage ticket. None of the passengers had them, so the ship was refused the right to land.

    And the US and Canada followed suit. There was a system in place (just like now) to allow for immigration. But not for having massive numbers of people on tourist visas with no money to arrive with no plan on ever going home.

    The truth is, most Jews (and Slavs, and Romani, etc) did not want to leave. That was their home, and they thought things would eventually improve for them.
     
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    In the one book I read about the eastern front, it was said Hitler's plan was to deport the Jews to Siberia. Once he attacked Stalin, of course that plan wasn't going to happen.
     
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    In Mein Kampf, published in 1925, Hitler described the Jews as blood suckers, maggots, monsters, a mortal enemy, bloodthirsty, and the destroyers of the Aryan race.

    So I doubt Hitler needed much encouragement if any to build the death camps and roll the boxcars.

    I could find no transcript of the meeting (as would naturally be expected), but only an obviously much abbreviated official "record" in which Hitler told the Mufti that Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. The question of expulsion or death had to be there in the room, whether the Mufti asked or not. The subsequent actions were conducted under Hitler's orders, however.

    Although Dachau opened in 1933 it was at first used only for political enemies of the Nazi's but it had mission creep to include Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, clergy who didn't preach the Nazi party line, Jehovah's Witnesses, misfits and dissenters.

    When the systematic mass murder of Jews began in earnest, cleanup outfits of four armed units of between 500 and 900 men followed German troops in June of 1941 into the Soviet Union solely to execute Jews. But Himmler stopped those shooting deaths in 1942 after 1.5 million Jews had been executed. The death camps were a more practical way of killing Jews, and one that would spare the shooters' anguish. The ultimate goal was to kill all 11 million Jews in Europe and 30 million Slavs in the camps.
     
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    Most did not want to leave but FDR blocked them from USA . The congress could have changed the situation
     
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    Yea, and?

    What would you have them do then? Force them to leave? Remember, only 1 year did the number of people emigrating from Germany to the US even meet it's maximum allowed. What would you have them do, order Germany to expel the Jews?
     
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    No ...in 1939 ,it was clear that their fate was dire and USA could have allowed 1-2 million in.
    Most of these Jews would be skilled workers and would work
     
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    FDR and the Dems let them die
     
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    I said earlier that do we really need more zuckerbergs, Zuckers, Nadlers and Schiffs In America
    And I have to answer ...no
     
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    Schumer , Feinstein , Weinstein and madoffs

    no
     
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    Germany could not have been ordered to do anything. They had to be boxed down to nothing.
     
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    It was not our problem. It happened in another sovereign country. That was too bad. The USA was militarily a paper tiger and could do nothing until weaponry production ramped up. I knew a man who went to Fort Polk Louisiana for basic in late 1939 and they carved their "rifles" out of 2 x 4's.
     
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    We are talking pre-war. Even before the Phony War. When der Wall Painter was fully prepared to retreat out of the areas he had conquered.

    And the US was not a paper tiger, and had some mighty high war production already going. But it was not for their own use, they were selling them to other nations and ramping up production.

    The US military was large and impressive before the war started, that is not a "Paper Tiger". We had a 2 ocean navy, bases all over the US, and a peace keeping mission in China all going on at the same time. And we had the industrial capacity to not only go from 5th in the world militarily to one of the top 2 (depending on how you count it) at the same time it was a major player in 2 major theaters.

    That is not a "paper tiger".

    And yea, wood rifles, big deal. Until a few days before somebody goes to the rifle range, what do they actually need a rifle for? What really matters is if he had one when he actually went into combat.

    Yea, in the 1980s I have even done training exercises where we were told "See that truck over there? It's a tank. Just move and react as you would as if it was a tank." I have even thrown rocks and yelled that they were grenades. It is training.

    At least it is not like the Soviets. Who actually sent soldiers into battle without rifles at all, telling them to just grab some from the dead as they advanced. That actually happened many times.
     
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    Thanks Shooter.

    But it was generally true that men the world over in the 1940's were wirey strong, more adaptable, and a hell of a lot tougher than males over 18 are today
     
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    Rubbish. The U.S. immigration quotas were set by 1924, having been started in 1920. They were also modified sevral times to accommodate refugees, something few, if any, other countries did. The U.S. got tired of being the dumping grounds for Europe's social failures, and already had 10's of millions of un-assimilated immigrants already, including almost half the world's Jewish population.Our slums were packed to the rafters, as bad or worse than Calcutta's or Shanghai's. FDR wasn't President until much later; blame your Republican Presidents of that era for the quotas you're sniveling about..

    This silly assed juvenile FDR bashing campaign has made right wingers as deranged and emotionally retarded as the left wingers are. And these morons wonder why they only win elections over Democrat nutjobs and criminals by so few percentage points.
     
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    jews are skilled folks and not Irish peasants
    FDR was a tyrant and bum
     
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    Jewish immigrants from eastern Europe were not that skilled as a group, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the immigration quotas were implemented under Republican Presidents and were in fact good for the country. FDR was one of our greatest Presidents, which is why he was elected three times, and his policies kept the country alive while most of the wealthy Republicans who helped cause the crash ran and hid under their beds behind private armies and sniveled like whiney little girls while he and a few others took care of business.
     

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