Pro-Gun Liberals

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  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    No idea what you’re ranting about now. Whatever.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No student of history I see.

    I'll let you find out on your own.
     
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    ECA Well-Known Member

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    As usual you got nothing
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have knowledge of history and knowledge of the clear parallels the left is playing into.

    You do you and wear your shocked face when it happens.
     
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    Adfundum Moderator Staff Member Donor

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    I'm registered as a Democrat, and I own guns. Anymore, though, the assumption is that if I'm a Democrat, I'm a liberal, and all liberals hate guns and want to erase 2A.
    It's natural for humans to see things in binary terms like us/them; however, our political climate these days has really exaggerated our natural tendency. That tells me that we do less and less real thinking and rely more and more on media to tell us what we think.
     
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    Which countries ban ALL guns? As in no citizen under any circumstance is allowed to own ANY type of gun?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Jamaica.
     
  8. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    I believe you are incorrect.

    As an example...
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I'm not incorrect.

    Firearms are not allowed to be owned, unless you're rich.

    https://paratus.info/2016/07/05/jamaica-gun-control-paradise/

    The Suppression of Crime Act allowed for the police and military to combine forces in order to disarm the populace: soldiers would block off neighbourhoods and the police would then go house-to-house performing warrantless searches of every building and confiscating all firearms and ammunition found.

    Result?

    Even more damning, Jamaica’s homicide rate in 1973, before the gun ban, was 11.5 per 100 000. In 1977, three years after the ban was enacted, murder rates nearly doubled to 19.5. By 1980 the homicide rate had nearly quadrupled to 41.7, and peaked at 59.0 per 100 000 people in 2007. In summary, after having banned civilian ownership of guns, Jamaica experienced a near-fourfold increase in its homicide rate within a period of only 6 years. And the homicide rate has remained exorbitantly high ever since.
     
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    So you admit people in Jamaica CAN in fact own guns. Thanks for admitting you're wrong.

    Again...I asked

    To which you responded

    But then you admit rich people can own. So yes, you were wrong. Thank you....hahahahahaha
     
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    Just my opinion, but I believe we need to start differentiating between liberals and progressives. Liberals are being used by progressives as cover. Even though I’m pretty liberal on most things I cringe to call myself one because of the linkage to progressivism. The two are polar opposites.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rich people always have access to whatever they want.

    In the US, such things allow them to kill multiple gay black men by drugging them to death like Ed Buck.

    Your average citizen, which is always the standard, cannot own a firearm in Jamaica.

    I understand that you confuse totalitarianism, and the APPEARANCE of legality, with the legal right to do something.

    It's a common attribute of leftist beliefs.

    I.E just because CA won't issue you a concealed carry permit, it's still not technically banned, as an example to your argument.
     
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    There is no gun ban in Jamaica. You are wrong, but I get you'll never admit it. You'll drag people down endless rabbit holes despite knowing you're wrong. It's been your M.O. for as long as I've been on this forum. Well, carry on with yourself because I won't get pulled down your silly hole. Enjoy!
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, there is.

    The government does not allow private ownership of firearms unless the government gives you one.

    That is government ownership and control of firearm ownership, not private ownership.

    You cannot buy a gun unless you get it from the government.

    If the government catches you with a gun they didn't give you, they can do whatever they want to you.

    That's not private ownership of firearms. That's government ownership of firearms.

    It is, however, what leftists see as "fine" because it's what you want. Leftists want the government to decide if it gives something they can then take back whenever they want.

    Just because that totalitarian system is in line with the leftist belief system doesn't make it private ownership of firearms.
     
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    LOL, that is not the kind of "felon" involved in making criminal activity a lifestyle choice. LOL! Hilarious.
     
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    I tend to be moderate. That term is not as descriptive as it sounds. None of them are. The media loves to dump folks into those label-boxes to keep the narratives simple and eliminate the need for thinking. But, of course, if it's not binary and simplistic, people won't listen or read.
     

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