WATCH LIVE: Public Impeachment Hearings (Yovanovich)

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I am not certified as not being a dysfunctional personality cult zealot. I don't know anyone who is thusly certified.

    Yovanovitch has laid the groundwork for exposing Giuliani. With Zippy Stone experiencing justice, the fumigation has commenced.
     
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    Chester_Murphy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's a yes. Thank you. No one defends like that unless they think it might be true or the answer may somehow hurt something or someone.
     
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    If simply testifying puts him in danger why are we having all these open hearings? By calling these people to testify are they not in danger? Dems logic not mine.
     
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    Schiff for brains disparages republicans and does not let them respond. This is a Schiff show in the stinkiest way.
     
  5. RP12

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    What the hell are you suggesting now? What... workplace.... issues..... are.. you.... speaking..... of....
     
  6. Chester_Murphy

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    The whole inquiry is based upon and backed by hearsay. They don't care. They stop serious rebuttals. They don't allow certain questions. It's a kangaroo court.
     
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    At long last Republicans, have you no sense of decency??

    Rockin' closing Adam...

    Enjoy the rest of the day, guys.... I'm off to a Caps game tonite...
     
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    To recoup money........

    Yovanovitch did hold up visa requests of three other Ukraine prosecutors.

    But the only one that Schiff allowed to be talked about was Shokin.

    "She said that it was her understanding that the embassy gave Shokin either a “formal hard refusal or what we call a 221G, which is an administrative refusal, asking for more information.” CNN

    There was no valid reason to deny him a visa for ANY reason, including talking with Giuliani.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Democrats haven't been this bad since re-Construction when they denied due process to Black Republican House members.
     
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    But, Imagine THIS:

    Trump's Main "Defender" is a RAPE-ENABLER...

    The GOP is really scraping the bottom of the barrel in "Defending" this Trump IMBECILE...:flagus:

    [​IMG]

    ^Trump's BEST "Defender"...:smh: :bored:
     
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    I cited the fact that the concept is universal, and you are acknowledging that. Thank you for pointing out that it is a universal concept even in use in India as per my source.

    A law review article that specifically dealt with presidential impeachment and was an analysis of what the standard is for impeachment. The fact that it's from 1975 is irrelevant when the Constitution is from 1788 and is the basis from which all flows.

    Once again, I'm going to have to keep pointing out to you that Congress doesn't decide anything when it comes to the Constitution. Law 101.

    That you cannot understand that simple concept is concerning.
     
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    REP. CHRIS STEWART (R-UT): “Do you have any information regarding the President of the United States accepting any bribes?”

    YOVANOVITCH: No.

    STEWART: “Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the President of the United States has been involved with at all?”

    YOVANOVITCH: No.
     
  13. MolonLabe2009

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    More lies.

    No proof.

    Stop making crap up!
     
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    A few thoughts on this hearing now that it is over:

    This was never going to be an especially news worthy hearing because Yovanovitch had been pushed out before the core issues at the heart of this bribery, abuse of power, and obstruction of justice charge took place. Her testimony largely matched and just expanded on her closed door testimony and sets the stage to help American understand that Trump and his associates did a lot of shady **** in Ukraine. The fact that Trump was willing to dismiss and not defend an US ambassador because - at a minimum - of allegations that the State Department knew to be false at the time is shameful. The potential that Trump was willing to dismiss this ambassador because corrupt officials, some of which were very closely tied to Trump, wanted her out of the way is an impeachable abuse of his power.

    And for those who want to argue that Yovanovitch should not have been heard from at all, I remind you that Trump only discussed one American ambassador during that phone call. And that person is Yovanovitch. Moreover, the articles of impeachment have not been written and there is zero reason why the likely abuse of power charge can not be expanded to include Trump's behavior as it related to the dismissal of Yovanovitch.

    But the most news worthy event was Trump's attack on Yovanovitch during the testimony. As an initial matter, this is arguably witness tampering/intimidation and it will only further enforce the Obstruction of Justice impeachment article that is very likely to appear. The other side of this is that Trump needed a mere 48 hours before he was willing to completely destroy the White House strategy of making Trump appear to be too Presidential, too focused on his job, to pay attention to the impeachment hearings. It was also horribly ****ing dumb because it provided some very easy fodder for additional questions to make this event much more newsworthy.
     
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    Smear campaigns are all they have.
     
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    As the thread continues, you'll see why I asked that question. You were just quoting a metoo supporter.
     
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    Thanks for the write up! Genuine question, what did Trump do ?
     
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    Today felt like laying the groundwork to go after Rudy.
     
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  19. Dutch

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    Never thought you'd say it. Finally!
     
  20. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Go after Rudy, go!

    What about President Trump? :D
     
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    Your question has zero relevance so I guess have a good day!
     
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    Whoa... gonna work now on impeaching Rudy?
     
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    Probably, Idk if having him work in the State department is illegal but it's definitely not a good look imo. I was made about Biden being point man on Ukraine if for no other reason the look of conflict of interest so for me to be logically consistent I'd have to say farming out work to the presidents lawyer looks like a conflict of interest too
     
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    That’s for Congress to figure out. I really don’t have concern anyways. There has never been a President removed ever for a reason.
     
  25. MrTLegal

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    Sure, and I should just amend the write up to include it.

    But he tweeted the following right near the start of her testimony.
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    When Schiff asked, “What effect do you think that has on other witnesses willingness to come forward and expose wrongdoing?” Yovanovitch responded saying, "“It’s very intimidating...I mean, I can’t speak to what the president is trying to do, but I think the effect is trying to be intimidating.”
     

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