More Racial Bias in the NFL

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  1. Dayton3

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    Protecting certain quarterbacks in nothing new. Official Ben Dreith was famous for it in the 1970s. Much to Steeler coach Chuck Nolls annoyance. Dreith once threw Steeler middle line backer Jack Lambert out of a game. While Lambert was supremely intimidating he was not a cheap shot artist. After the game, Lambert was asked about his ejection. He said "Dreith said I hit Sipe (Cleveland QB) too hard.".

    The person asks "Did you".

    Lambert "I hit him as hard as I could".
     
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    I played for a dozen years and we were coached to put the other guy down and not to be gentle..
     
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    You’re the one who brought up the silly example of holding.
     
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    What bothers me more than anything is that application seems almost wholly subjective and getting worse every day rather than better. And ninety per cent of the changes favor offense.
     
  5. Primus Epic

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    Then I might suggest a lesson in Physics 101. The subject lesson is called "Impulse Force." There is no such thing as Deceleration in real physics. Deceleration is layman's term for Negative Acceleration. Impulse force is directly affected by negative acceleration and in turn, negative acceleration is directly affected by inertia. Force is directly proportional to Mass multiplied by Acceleration. The typical adult size football helmet weighs approximately 6.4 lbs. What you need to understand here is that while a Football Player may not be able to accelerate a helmet to the same 95 mph that a MLB Pitcher does with a baseball, he can accelerate that helmet to a speed of approximately 40 - 45 mph. However, it is not necessarily the absolute top speed of the helmet that matters most. It is the Rate of Change called Acceleration that matters most just before impact.

    The speed with which the NFL Player can Accelerate that 6.5 lb helmet to 40-45 mph is approximately 1 second to reach top speed. Ergo, 6.5 x 40 = 52.72 Newtons. Now, it would take a lot more to pulverize the human skull. Somewhere beyond 2,000 Newtons of force to be more precise. However, you don't need anywhere near that level of Impulse Force to cause severe brain trauma within the skull. Impulse is the force being applied to an object over t-Time. At the peak of the impulse wave is where the highest amount of force is being applied to the object. When the collision is said to be "Elastic" energy is conserved. Thus, the net/net "felt" force is greater for t-Time on the object.

    Note: I have not included the effects of Surface Area on contact (which I probably should have for clarity sake), nor have I attempted to be anal by including the net affects of wind resistance, transverse frictional coefficients (the lateral angle between the helmet and head) or any other outlier variables that may impact the absolute total force applied to the unprotected skull when contacted by a slung helmet.

    And, yes. There is a difference when the helmet is being worn by both Players where head-to-head contact is made. The Accelerations are less, yet the Forces are far, far greater. With two 250lb Players colliding head-to-head with an opposing closure rate of speed of 5 mph, the resultant Force involved could be as high as 500+ Newtons on Initial Impulse. THIS IS WHY "Head Hunting and Head Strikes" are banned in the NFL. The NFL is replete with critical Brain Injury called CTE over the decades as a direct result collisions involving the head. Many NFL Players have suffered under this and many have gone untreated in the wake of the NFL's refusal to admit that it was a problem (initially). There was even a Movie about starting Will Smith.

    The physics involved notwithstanding, you simply cannot use a Helmet this way against an Unprotected Skull as common sense. 52 Newtons against an Unprotected Skull is more than enough to cause sufficient damage that can be irreparable. Fortunately, the blow never struck the head bluntly and was mostly absorbed by the shoulder pads.
     
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    Sounds like a flagrant violation of the Helmet Law.
     
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    Rules changes always favor the offense. Rules are changed so the offense can score more points faster. More points are scored faster. Defenses adjust. Sometimes quickly. Sometimes slowly. But eventually the offenses are being held down again. So more rules changes come along to help the offense. And the cycle repeats.
     
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    Someone put forth the idea of having them agree do duke it out in the Octagon. I think that would be extra-entertaining and a boon for both the NFL and MMA. There would have to be some kind of Penalty Challenge and Acceptance process in real-time on the field and I don't know how you would work that out. If I'm a Head Coach and I've got the opportunity to push a team back 15 years or half the distance to the goal line plus a Los Of Down, or let my Player agree to accept the "Challenge" in the Octagon, I'd take the loss of down and yardage Mon-Fri and twice on Sunday.

    I've been in only two conflicts where I really wanted to do the guy physical harm because of what he did to me while getting away with it. Every chance I got on the field, I took legit shots at the guy - literally trying to take him out legally with clean hits. But, it was personal at that point. I never did anything to hurt my Team. But, I really wanted to take him out and the Field was the place to do it - as long as the hits are legal and my Team did not suffer in any way. Only twice in 14 years did I get that angry. I really wanted to hurt them - bad. And, likewise - they wanted to really hurt me bad. My team won in both instances (separated by about 5 years with two different teams), so that was victory enough. We would have been good candidates for the Octagon, but there was no such thing back then in those days. I would have happily accepted the challenge and been relentless in the process.

    By Monday, though, you forget all about it in the training room's whirlpool - recovering from all the minor injuries. Had some pretty cute recovery Trainers over the years too who gave really good sports massages. Today, they have things like Psychological Rehabilitation Counselors after suffering injury. We had nothing like that back then. You got a whirlpool, some ice treatment, a massage and some tylenol - boom. You were back in action - or at least good enough to hit the film room.
     
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    Yeah, it doesnt have to cause serious physical harm to be a penalty. The guy should have at least had a foul called.

    Try some reading comprehension
     
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    You’re making no sense...again. I should know better.
     
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    Then don't reply. Easy peasy
     
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    What can I say...I’m an optimist and always have hope for you.
     
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    Race had nothing to do with it.

    However, the "League" has been treating the Raiders like a stepchild for decades and that's not race related. That was NFL Politics related, however - and it did cost the Raiders some important games over the years. It may have even cost them one Superbowl, to the tell the truth.

    Al Davis, has a storied history going all the way back to the AFL. Don't forget that Bill Walsh, studied under Al Davis, in Oakland with the Raiders before eventually heading up the San Francisco 49ers. So, brilliance in football does not fall far from the tree.

    So, no. No Race issue here. But, the League can be highly biased when it wants to. It has demonstrated that in the past and the Raiders are probably one of the text book examples of just how biased the "League" can be towards an NFL Franchise.
     
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    All I did was respond to the claim that, "... this story doesn't even attempt to cover is the fact that Rudolph tried to rip Barrett's helmet off first," with a quote from the article that said both players grabbing at each other's helmets.
     
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    He will not see assault charges. They are engaged in a sport where "assault" is part of the nature of the game.

    But using a helmet as a weapon is INSANE.

    The guy is toast. And for a defensive player to attack a quarterback like that? Gone... for all of this year...heavily fined...and very likely suspended next year as well
     
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    Probs more of a crush
     
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    I've said that with soooooo many news stories over the past few years, much to the shock of people like the OP.
     
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    Can you cite any sources that confirm that Garret was ever kicked in the balls? Cause I haven' seen that. That I watched it happen. I was at the game. Once they were on their feet, Garret is the only one who did anything.
     
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    This wasn't normal contact as part of gameplay. This was a blatant and purppuseful affaunt. That's like saying a player won't face charges ifhe walks up to another players and punches him in the face after a play is over.
     
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    On the ground while Rudolph was pulling at Garrett's facemask.

    Once up, Garrett was restrained and pushed back by two Steelers. Several yards of separation.
    Rudolph then charged Garrett while he was being held back and got his hands up around Garrett's neck and head area. This is clearly shown in the picture below, right before he got whacked.
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    According to the article posted in the OP, they were BOTH pulling at each other's helmets on the ground. The OP either can't read, or decided to omit that fact from the post because it didn't fit with their "the NFL hates black people" theory.

    But Garrett is the only one who decided to try to smash in someone's face with a helmet.
     
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    Garrett was pulled away, pushed back into the endzone, with several yards of separation from Randolph and restrained. Tough boy charged at him, closing the gap and tried to retaliate while he was being restrained by the two large Steelers. He got his hand up in Garrett's neck and head area while Garrett was being restrained.
    Then he got whacked.

    Getting whacked with a helmet does not excuse his behavior prior to the whacking.
     
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    I was a cornerback and safety and many of my kinds of tackles were in the open field where the ball carrier has a head of steam and if he can't get around me then he'll try to run through me. We were told it hurts less if you hit him harder than he hits you. I used to get buried when the other team ran a sweep.
     
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    As a Steelers fan I'll say:

    Garrett's punishment of the season is appropriate. May be a little light, but I'm fine with it.

    Pouncey's 3 game suspension is a joke. Should have been 1.

    Rudolph's punishment of not being suspended, and continuing to be forced to embarrass himself on a weekly basis is also appropriate
     

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