Embassy Official Confirms Trump Asked About Ukraine Investigation

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  1. gringo

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    it is NOT the job of the witnesses to decide what is impeachable and what is not

    that is why you hear crickets

    the job of the witnesses is to verify the accusations are true or false

    and it seems it is true trump and company fired the ambassador so it would be easier to get to the new president of Ukraine

    PSST btw this is NOT a trial .. it is a hearing

    the democrats are laying out their case so when it does go to trial they present evidence and intent

    and one other thing

    just because a crime was a failed crime, does not make the perpetrator not guilty

    good example is the shoe bomber ... he failed ... but he is still in prison for life
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What accusers? Which of the three witnesses accused Trump of anything. Have you watched the hearings? Did you understand them? None of the witnesses were there to lay judgment on Trump. That isn't their job and they so stated. Those are just boring facts.
     
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  3. Egoboy

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    Funny that, because none of the witnesses thus far are responsible for writing the articles of impeachment....

    Witnesses are not necessarily accusers, BTW...

    And to answer your question, the impeachable offenses are Abuse of Power, Contempt of Congress and OOJ... If this were to ever go to a legal setting, it would be extortion....
     
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  4. Egoboy

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    It's always great to have multiple options. Don't forget that it was Trump who started the entire QPQ thing to begin with by dictating that to Sondland for his text to Taylor... I never liked that anyway..

    Personally, this is extortion to me, but I think they prefer bribery because it's found in the Constitution in the impeachment section.

    Bottom line, whatever you call it, it's an abuse of power, which is impeachable all day long...
     
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    Yes, bribery is an impeachable action. Proof of bribery requires demonstrating a QPQ which would alter behavior in exchange for the favor. I think extortion is also impeachable but in either case, a QPQ needs to be present. If I’m not mistaken, bribery doesn’t apply to foreign officials so wouldn’t they have to prove Trump solicited a bribe from Zeli sky?
     
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    So what? How can anyone report a "high crime and misdemeanor" if they do not know what one is?

    You are just making excuses for this obvious farce!

    If I get my feelings hurt should I report it to the FBI? After all, not knowing what an actual crime is seems to be an okay thing to do.
     
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    If they have nothing to accuse then why are they there?

    Yes, I have watched the hearings and so far no one has said anything worth a hoot.
     
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    I never said it was their job but how can anyone even testify if they do not know what they are testifying about?
     
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    Do you even know what envoy is? Here' are several definitions:

    A person delegated to represent one government in its dealings with another.
    Messenger, representative.

    So no, I'm not concerned.
     
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    TRUMP!!! :frustrated:
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course he does. The pencil neck knew what was in the transcript of the call before the transcript was released!

    Incidentally, pencil neck knew for sure Trump has colluded with russkies even before Mueller submitted his report, exonerating Trump. :D
     
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    Forensic pathologists don't accuse you of murder, but have a way of putting the final nail in your coffin at trial...
     
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    That's why I wouldn't go with bribery, because often a bribe is solicited... Extortion is one party showing control over the other by withholding something they need or want (or both in this case).

    Either way, the QPQ is present... I give you meeting and aid and you give me investigation announcements... Most of that has been thoroughly proven already. Would it be better if Sondland says he heard that exact transaction mentioned by Trump? Sure, but there's clearly enough there to show Trump was orchestrating this without the specific words..
     
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    They are testifying as to what happened to and around them.... Congress will then determine if the sum total of evidence determines that "high crime or misdemeanor"(s) occurred based on what the Constitution says they are.

    Which is a blank slate for each Congress pursuing impeachment.

    Hint... they occurred...
     
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    Please do not mix the Constitution into this, my friend. I doubt that pencil neck and the rest of the swamp have ever read it.
     
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    Way to not read the OP
     
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    Well, I KNOW the president hasn't, so then it comes down to who acts first, doesnt it?
     
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    True.

    In this case, "not guilty" part will happen when the Senate acquits Trump...
     
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    You think that if more evidence is brought forward against him during the course of the impeachment inquiry, which makes his probable guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, Republican Senators will still vote in his favor?
     
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    you think John's and presidents generally have the same prosecution rate? I'd bet not.... the law isnt equal between the elites and the average joe
     
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    Considering presidents can’t be prosecuted, I think that’s safe bet
     
  22. TurnerAshby

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    another trend is to call everything "Bombshell"
     
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    even after they're no longer presidents
     
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    The premise that sitting presidents can't be indicted has never been tested in the courts. It rests totally on a DoJ "policy," not constitutional or statute law.
     
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    what's the history of sitting or former presidents being prosecuted and why is the history what it is in your opinion.
     

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