List your favorite politician and why (bipartisan)

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  1. btthegreat

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    I grew up with him and hated MacAurther because he was a jackass. He hauled his personal possessions out of the Philippines while leaving GIs there to die.
     
  3. Iron_Merc

    Iron_Merc Banned

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    What's your best guess on the IQ of his son George W?
    On a "good" day I would say somewhere in the 50-65 range...



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    "This Thursday ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport"

    ROFL
     
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    Rand paul for his strength courage and clarity. He's at the top right now.
     
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    God & Country Well-Known Member

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    I'd laugh but the mods think I might hurt someone's feelings, anyway that's funny, funny like humorous. Really out there wishful thinking INO.
     
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    Daggdag Well-Known Member

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    Goerge Washington: He hated political parties.
     
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    Truman didn't drop the bomb to end the war. The Japanese had already offered surrender terms long before that.

    The Allies had to keep the war going in the Pacific theater long enough to buy time for Stalin to enter into war against the Japanese and thus be in position to assist Mao and overthrow Chang Kai-Shek.

    The U.S. did everything they could to ensure that China became communist.

    You have to remember that the U.S. State Dept. and White House were filled with people who were later exposed as communists and communist agents.

    Harry Hopkins, Harry Dexter White, Alger Hiss, Gen. George Marshall, et al... FDR and Truman were surrounded by traitors.
     
  8. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We had just fought two of the bloodiest battles in WWII. Iwo Jima and Okinawa. We got a taste of what the Japanese would do when it came to defending their homeland. The Japanese had not heard their emperor's voice until he announced his surrender after dropping those bombs. It took the Emperor's voice to convince them the war was over. Some still did not surrender for years after that. I had a brother and and a brother in law who were just about to participate in the invasion of the main Japanese Islands. I am eternally grateful for Truman dropping those bombs.

    I have heard of all the conspiracy theories of why we should not have dropped the bombs. Having lived through that period, it will take more than conspiracy theories.
     
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    I would say my favorite politician is Rand Paul. Because the fact that I generally agree with his politics.

    As far as favorite politician I don't agree with politically that would be Tulsi gabbard. She's an honorable person. She is serving our country in the armed forces, and that says a lot about her character.
     
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    The people who wrote that history are the same ones that said that FDR and Marshall had no idea Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked.

    Very few people still try to argue that nonsense. It's been proven six ways to Sunday that FDR and Marshall deliberately denied Pearl Harbor commanders the information and armament they needed to defend themselves. It is why Kimmel and Short demanded court martials - to clear their names.

    The evidence for Hirohito's overtures of surrender prior to the bombs is less substantial, but nonetheless exists.

    Beyond that, there is the undeniable evidence of U.S. assistance to Stalin and Mao to the detriment of Shek.

    China was lost to communism in the boardrooms of the western Establishment elites. Just as the Bolshevik Revolution was funded by western Bankers.
     
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    https://www.thenewamerican.com/cult...b-why-did-the-u-s-unleash-its-terrible-weapon

    Here is an excellent article detailing some of the evidence for Japan's attempts to surrender prior to the bomb.

    Give it a read, I'm sure you'll find it interesting.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will not waste my time reading it. And you are wasting your and my time. Peddle your junk on someone else.
     
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    I agree - you're a waste of time ;)
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are now officially being ignored.f
     
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    Great. Vote for her then.

    You won't though. You'll vote for Trump
     
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    Mine?

    Mayor Pete.

    Followed closely by Warren

    Pete is a Moderate but a strong sensible Moderate. Not a "Republican Lite" type

    Warren because she actually cares about ordinary Americans and she's smart as a whip
     
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    They are also my favorites of the current field.
     
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    Tulsi Tulsi Tulsi !!

    Can Trump do this ??

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    "what you talk'n about Lenard " ? Issa hates the founding principles and the constitution.

    1) Anti Abortion -
    2) Pro Patriot act - the Act which makes it our Patriotic Duty to give up essential liberty
    3) Anti Civil Rights 20% by the ACLU
    4) wants the Gov't involved in dictating what marriage is
    5) Anti Gay
    6) anti Pot
    7) anti privacy - voted Yes on electronic surveillance without a warrant - No on requiring FISA warrants for wiretaps in the US, Voted no on congressional oversight of CIA interrogations (he is against Gov't oversight and transparency - not for it in many respects) - he did vote against bulk data collection so we will give him that.


    This guy may be a modern Conservative but he ain't no follower of the principles of Republicanism.
     
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    List your favorite politician and why (bipartisan)

    No favorite for me. I do prefer former politicians to current ones, however and dead ones most of all.
     
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    Interesting. Issa hates the founding principles of our nation? So you are thinking Lincoln would be a good judge/example of founding principles? Issa stands with Trump on nearly every decision he has made since taking office, indicating he backs the conservative agenda of Trump to a tee.


    Lincoln was anti abortion
    Lincoln was pro equal rights for all regardless of race
    Lincoln believed marriage was between a man and women
    Lincoln was likely against marijuana
    Lincoln was against large government
    Lincoln believed in God

    Contrast Issa with the founding fathers.



    Issa is pro life
     
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    I'm not a Democrat I don't vote on personality if I did it would be Peter buttegieg or Tulsi gabbard. just because you have a good personality or good morals doesn't mean you'll be a good president. And it doesn't mean you won't be corrupted by the machine that is the political system.

    Now that I think that Donald Trump is a bit of a troll I actually like his policies which is the important part.

    You want to vote for personality go vote on American idol.
     
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    1) Lincoln was not a founding father
    2) you missed a bunch of things on the list
    3) Pot was legal under Lincoln
    4) you have provided no proof of any of your claims - and brought up a bunch of nonsense not given in my list. WTF does belief in God have to do with anything we are discussing ?

    Pathetic attempt :)
     
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    lol not my best work

    Issa is best known for his strong-arm tactics as chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform during the Obama administration, drawing the ire of Democrats.

    I reference Lincoln because he was essentially the defining Republican of his day. In my opinion he held fast to the traditions and policy of our founding fathers, who were conservatives for the most part.

    The Patriot act received overwhelming bipartisan support from congress. Issa voted for the reauthorization of the Patriot Act in 2005 after successfully amending it to require judicial notification, reporting requirements and facts justifying the use of roving surveillance at new facilities or places.

    He favors repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), and voted in support of the budget resolution to repeal Obamacare in January 2017.

    On May 4, 2017, Issa voted in favor of repealing Obamacare and passing the American Health Care Act. Issa made the tie-breaking vote to pass the AHCA.

    He has opposed attempts to ease restrictions on illegal immigration such as the "Blue Card" system, arguing that it provides amnesty for illegal immigrants.

    Issa opposed the Stop Online Piracy Act based on the amount of discretion the Department of Justice would have under the legislation as it is currently drafted.

    Issa supported the All Circuit Review Extension Act (H.R. 4197; 113th Congress), a bill that would extend for three years the authority for federal employees who appeal a judgment of the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) to file their appeal at any federal court, instead of only the U.S. Court of Appeals.[140][141] Issa argued that "whistleblowers are a critical asset for congressional oversight" and that extending the pilot program would give Congress "more time to gauge the impact of an 'all circuit' review.

    I cannot seem to find this so called "hatred" of the constitution considering he backs Trump on almost every move he makes.

    Issa also fully backs the 2nd amendment.
     
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    I concur

    Issa is nothing like Lincoln - The founders set up a system by which Gov't power was limited. For 200 years ... Gov't has been trying to get that power back - as all Gov'ts are wont to do- and it has succeeded. This process had already started when Lincoln ruled.

    There are many issues with the Patriot act and I realize that both Red and Blue establishment hate the founding principles - and I gave ISSA credit for toning down the surveillance.

    1) I did not list Obamacare as an example so not sure why you are talking about it
    2) Obamacare was lipstick on a pig - neither Red or Blue Establishment has addressed the systemic issues.


    He has opposed attempts to ease restrictions on illegal immigration such as the "Blue Card" system, arguing that it provides amnesty for illegal immigrants.

    The above were not mentioned in my post so I don't know why you bring them up ... perhaps as examples of ISSA following the founding principles

    OK .. LOOK - Belief in essential liberty (as per the founding principles) is not belief "only in the principles one agrees with". Everyone believes in that. Belief in essential liberty is belief in freedom for things one disagrees with.
     

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