Embassy Official Confirms Trump Asked About Ukraine Investigation

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  1. stone6

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    When exactly they knew is questionable. I think they certainly knew about it shortly AFTER the July 25th telephone call. The Whistleblower complaint was filed August 12th. It would have taken maybe two weeks before that complaint became known within the White House. The WB went first to the Intelligence Committee for advice, then to the CIA IG, then to the Intelligence IG. The Intelligence IG did a preliminary investigation before going to the Director of National Intelligence, who then went to the WH. Both the Intelligence IG and the DNI, Trump appointees, determined the complaint to be "credible and urgent" (which triggered notification of Congress, by law). The WH directed him to DoJ, who declined to pursue an investigation of their own. Having heard nothing through the "regular channels," the Intelligence Committee sent an inquiry to the WH, on September 9th requesting all documentation relating to the call. On September 12th, the WH released the aid. On September 25th, the WH released the transcript of the call. On that same day, Trump met with Zelenskiy, at the UN, after declining a requested meeting at the U.N. by Turkish President Erdogan. This supposedly infuriated Erdogan and led to the subsequent telephone call regarding the Turkish invasion of Syria border regions.
    My theory would be that both events contributed to Bolten's resignation.
    The "drop dead date" for the release of aid would have been September 30th. After that (the end of the government's fiscal year), Congress would have had to re-appropriate funding for FY 2020. So...IMO, they created as much pressure on Ukraine as they could for the investigations, within their "window of opportunity," which was reduced by approximately two weeks by the Whistleblower's complaint.
    And, that's why Trump is so pissed at the WB.
     
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    Q1 - Yes they did... not immediately, but they found out eventually, before the release.
    Q2 - WTF is the agreed to date? That's made up crap... There was a deadline for the aid to expire and they beat that once the extortion was exposed, with some late Congressional assistance.

    QPQ is old news, my man... we're on to Bribery, which I prefer to call extortion.... keep up, or you're going to get run over with news..

    P.S. It's usually best not to "ask" questions you think you already know the answer to...
     
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    You've done a Fine Job of describing Mafia Don's corruption activities.

    Trump pulling the Plug on withholding Military Support Funding after finding out an investigation was being open .......doesn't change his attempts

    Charges.JPG
     
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    If memory serves, Clinton was charged with perjury. After he left office, it was plea bargained.
     
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    You're gonna have to update that prison sentences section when Stone goes to the big house...
     
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    Two come to mind...Lincoln over his suspension of habeas corpus during the Civil War. It's possible someone would have sought a court action against him after the war. But, he died in office, so it would have been moot. The other is Harding, whom many historians believe the most corrupt presidency to date. One of the major scandals was the Teapot Dome bribery case regarding one of his Cabinet officials, but Harding was suspected of personal involvement in other bribery cases. And, of course, he also died in office, making possible prosecutions moot. Grant was also known to have had a corrupt administration and lived well into retirement. I'd have to research more.
    I doubt we can expect Presidents to be as "pure as the driven snow." Life involves hypocrisy. Politics gets more than most pursuits. To a great degree hypocrisy is what keeps a civilized society together, given human frailties. But, once exposed, it has to be acted upon, less we accept it as the new norm.
     
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    Possible...but not while he was in office. My own recollection is that it was in regard to his deposition in the Paula Jones trial. Interesting question...possibly, the Courts ruled that a sitting President was liable for "civil suits." He then lied in his deposition regarding the Paula Joes trial, which was added to his impeachment charges, and eventually settled out of court, escaping with a suspension of his law license. Come to think of it, Trump may have settled the Trump Foundation suit while he was President. I believe Trump University was prior, but not positive.
     
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    "to date" = 1/20/17 (IMHO)...
     
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    Or "nothingburgers:. It is interesting how the lexicon evolves. Nobody thinks for themselves anymore.
     
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    The way I remember it, the charge was written and sealed while he was in office. Then, it was opened after he left office.
     
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    Yep, more opinion.
     
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    Lol he heard trump ask about the “investigations”
     
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    So he says. No record.
     
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    And a 2nd witness, plus Sondland.
     
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    Could be. I wasn't a Clinton fan. Never voted for him.
     
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    He was never charged.
     
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    Despite what popular press might have you believe, the legal requirements of perjury are that it is a knowing falsehood, under oath, that is material to the case.

    The Judge herself, in throwing out Ms. Jones’ case, stated that, even if Bill Clinton lied, it had no bearing on the case. Ms Jones, with or without Clinton’s testimony, did not have enough evidence to bring it to trial. Therefore, his testimony was not material to the case.
     
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    Could be...I really have no interest in Clinton. I thought he settled out of court. But, that may have been another suit.
     
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    Please impeach him, Clinton went to over 70% approval after he was impeached.
     
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    And the other party won the next election....

    Neither is a guarantee of what happens next...

    If I had any control, it would be a done deal by now...
     
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    It just started appearing one morning on all the fake news stations. As if everybody suddenly got the same memo.
     
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    May be more easily explained to the public than "high crimes and misdemeanors," which involved some understanding of English common law, at the time our Constitution was written.
     
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    May be the impeachment circus is fizzling, so it's time to jazz up the rhetoric.
     
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    Nothing but heearsay and schiff has become a very unpopular fella in polls of "independents". Its so disgustingly apparent hes trying to set trump up and americans arent buying it.
     
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    I think some people get all their news from just one media source and when they hear their favorite talking head say bribery the just roll with it. If those same people started getting their info from more sources they'd see the left wing media all using the same words. You would think that would be the moment when those people realize the media it telling their viewers exactly what the democrats want them to say, and that's when those people should also realize the media is in bed with the democrats.
     

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