Supreme Court lets Sandy Hook families' lawsuit against gunmaker proceed

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Apples and oranges IMO.

    Real harm is done by cigarettes, and they've showed that management was aware of the health risks of tobacco smoking.

    A firearm can do harm only at the hands of a shooter.

    If nobody died at Sandy Hook, a very likely possibility, then Remington's gun killed nobody there. If Adam Lanza's fingerprints are not on the gun, the story fails again.
     
  2. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Actually no he did not kill his stupid careless mother to get the gun the Sandy Hook killer obviously had access to guns. He shot her then went to the school to murder the 20 first graders plus some teachers and administrators.

    You can blame whatever ideological group for the intitial court decision on the Sandy Hook case against Remington you want. I go by the law, actually two laws and precedent to say that Remington is not responsible for what the Sandy Hook killer did. One law is the one that shields guns maker from this type liability. Also the products liability law which shields a manufacturer from liability if the product is properly manufactured without defects , operates as it was designed for, and is used for the purpose it was designed for. I can and do sympathize with the parents of Sandy Hook but the law needs to be applied as it is written.

    BTW our products liability laws have evolved over the last one hundred years and the products liability laws have gone from an absolute shield from liability to what it is as I described above. Again I repeat and apparently younagree Remmington is shielded from liability in this case.
     
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    The decision allows them to sue Remington for their marketing practices. That's all.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    How did people get around before there were cars? Cars aren't "Needed", they are a convenience that makes our travels easier and faster. That is all. We can get around just fine with out them. Might take longer and is more tiring, but that is all.
     
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    That's ridiculous. Blame the wrongdoer, not his tool or the tool manufacturer. :(
     
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    This would also open the doors to many motorcycle manufacturers being sued.
    http://www.fastestmotorcycle.org/
    https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-motorcycle-pursuit-crash-20190531-story.html
     
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    Agreed. If the Sandy Hook parents actually win a big judgement, and if the higher courts uphold it, including the Supreme Court, then the firearms industry will close its doors in the U.S. That will be the end of firearms manufacturing in this country.

    My car's top speed is reported to be 160 mph. If I hit an oak tree at that speed, my seat belt and air bags won't save me. Does that mean the car's manufacturer should be liable for my death? Should all cars be speed restricted to around 35 mph?

    Somewhere in the process, a court has got to dismiss this lawsuit.
     
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  8. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely you added a good example.
     
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  9. Rick B

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    Firearms and not "made as dangerous as possible". They are designed for a specific purpose. They are bullet launchers...perforating devices. The item that get's perforated is entirely up to the individual. I have a HUGE problem with anyone telling me what I need or don't need. Since your problem seems to be specifically with the AR-15, perhaps you can tell me which of these rifles you would allow me to own.
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    In terms of this decision the manufacturer might be liable if their marketing materials touted your vehicle's suitability for racing on open city streets.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right, and that's the point, isn't it? Do firearms manufacturers marketing materials tout their products as being perfect for committing crimes or mass murders?
     
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    That's what this decision gives people the right to go to court to find out. This decision does not decide the question one way or the other.
     
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  13. Seth Bullock

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    I have never seen an advertisement from a firearms manufacturer touting their products as being perfect for committing crimes or mass murders. Never. Have you?
     
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    I have not.
     
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    No one has.
     
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    For sure. The kids were killed by a young man, not an arms manufacturer. This suit will go nowhere. If I am wrong and it does, the supreme court will fix it.
     
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    You have not offended me at all. I absolutely 'get' the culture thing, (given the background you describe I totally understand your point of view) but one just can not ignore these massacres and do nothing. The only thing that will have any impact is to take the toys away and have very strict licencing conditions before anyone can get them.
     
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    I'll start with the AR 15 and work my way down from there. Small steps. No-one likes being told what they can and cannot have but sometimes that becomes necessary for the greater good.
     
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    Remember who is on the SCOTUS.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    I know of course but at this stage it is just going up the river in state courts eventually it will hit the SCOTUS.
     
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    Anyone have a link to the Remington Advertisement that keeps getting mentioned?
    If it has already been posted here in the forum I guess I missed it. I haven't been able to run down the specific ad.
     
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    https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/us/connecticut-shootings-fast-facts/index.html

    Yes, he had access to guns, but it appears he shot his mother first and then got the AR. Whether she locked up all her guns or not, once he killed his mother it wouldn't take much effort to get to the locked up guns. Knowing his mental state, she should have taken better steps to keep firearms out of his hands, however, being 20 years old there was nothing stopping him from buying long guns himself.
     
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    Exactly, the UK and Aussie gun grab model. Start with the low hanging fruit, then go for the rest. For the greater good is how communists justify forcing that system onto others.
     
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    The missing thing is that taking away guns or having stringent licensing will do very little to mitigate massacres. It will just make it a little more difficult for the crazies.
     
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    Greater good is in the mind of the beholder. In this case the only ones experiencing greater good are the liberal leftists whose greater good is evidenced by greater government control over the people.
     
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