Trump hikes price tag for US forces in Korea almost 400% as Seoul questions alliance

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  1. Ddyad

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    Trump is in the mercenary and weapons biz these days it seems. Of course is anyone surprised the the Dear Leader would think "his" military is a great source of revenue?
     
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    If a Democrat had even mentioned the possibility of our charging Korea at ALL let alone 5 x more the cons would have had the Korean section of the American Legion out in the street and be making speeches of how we want to "betray the heroes". Isn't it wonderful how they're now ones who want to have no overseas "commitments" since President Draft Dodger sent others to Vietnam to die in his place.
     
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    And there are people rotting their lives away in opioid stupors in the heartland. There's always a bad part of town. It doesn't define the place.
     
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    My thoughts, actually.
     
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    Germany can rely on the Brits and French for nuclear deterrence- or get a few from them if they desire. Germany does not need protection from the US. Protection from who ?

    I agree that Trump has dismantled US foreign policy - This however, has endangered our economic security - not "National Security" as in our ability to defend the homeland. We could reduce Military spending to 50 Billion/year and be perfectly secure.
     
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    Much of your post is laughable nonsense but, even if that were not the case - nothing in your post has anything to do my comments with respect to nuclear detente.
     
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    Crimea - which consists of mostly Russians - voted on the issue and overwhelmingly voted to join with Russia. - It is not like Russian people in Crimea have been treated well by the Facist Stormtroopers of Ukraine over the last number of years.

    How is this any different from NATO's forced annexation of Kosovo from Serbia- with respect to violating international norms.

    OR - Israel annexing parts of the occupied territories.

    Step back and be objective - pretend one is a space alien observing if that is what it takes On the Television on the mother ship - one of the favorite shows is called "hypocrisy in other worlds" - this being one of the episodes.
     
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    S. Korea has the 7th largest military in the world.
    Our presents there is like it was in Syria (before Trump withdrew), only as a deterrent.
     
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    Actually, every single case here is a F.A.C.T.
    One of the things we will miss when America is no longer the force it is today
    is that the world will be
    1 - more unstable
    2 - completely nuclear armed.

    If the USA had remained in the British Commonwealth, like Canada, New
    Zealand and Australia, then I doubt there would have been an American
    Civil War or the two world wars. Something to be said about being a liberal,
    democratic and military power.
     
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    There is peace in the world, where is that?
     
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    Do they wrap their presents? Oh and Trump did not withdraw troops from Syria.
     
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    I'll tell you where there is peace.
    THERE IS PEACE IN SOUTH EAST ASIA
    Thanks to America.
    American presence after WWII has prevented
    Korea and Japan, Indonesia and Malaysia, Nth
    and Sth Korea, China and Tawan, China and
    Japan, Russia and Japan etc etc.. from fighting.
    Trade, the nuclear umbrella, free shipping, aid
    etc has allowed this area to flourish.
     
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    Some facts perhaps - but not significantly relevant to the issues at hand .. I can cherry pick a bunch of examples on the other side and claim "My side is Right" - but this is silliness .. there is no "right side" in this blood feud - both sides have done nasty things. The idea that Israel has not intentionally kept this thing going - is preposterous nonsense.

    This latest provocation being a prime example - yet another of hundreds that could be cited.

    What the above post has to do with the Pal/Israel blood feud - I do not know ?
     
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    If you say so yet the world is not at peace nor has it never been.
     
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    I'm sure it's big enough.

    Oh wait.

    Also the word you were looking for is "presence", not "presents".

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    Antiques from the 50's and 60's.
    Are you sure you counted all the MIG 15's?
     
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    1. NATO's forced annexation of Kosovo was, IMO, stupid, and typical.
    2. Israel, like the USG, seldom makes a move that does not in some way undermine its own security in the long run.
    3. Of course Russia wanted to annex the Crimea, and the USG obviously supported Putin's decision to invade.
    It is hard to blame Putin for accepting the Obama administration's gift.
     
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    The schemes our "Best and Brightest" come up with to enrich themselves seldom serve the interests of America and Americans.
     
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    Hopefully they will refuse and we will withdraw our military from S Korea.
     
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    Agree except with (3) ... Obama did not gift Russia Crimea nor did they support Putin's decision to invade. After massive meddling in the Ukrainian Electoral process by the USG - a pro West regime was elected. This was followed by Ukraine applying to become part of NATO.

    No way Russia was going to allow their strategic port in Crimea - one they have held for 400 years - to fall into the hands of NATO - and Putin Drew a clear red line in the sand. NATO crossed this line by entertaining Ukraine's request.

    At the same time Nazi loving fascist Paramilitary groups were running around Ukraine persecuting Russian's, Jews, and other typically hated groups.

    Some History can be found here - https://consortiumnews.com/2016/01/28/nazi-roots-of-ukraines-conflict/

    This one is more comprehensive- https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/the-ukraine-crisis-why-and-how-it-has-come-to-this
     
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    Getting close to Christmas I guess.:)
    Northern Syria, South Korea. The deterrent is what matter(ed).
     
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    Yes, Russia wanted the Crimea back for many very good reasons. Hard to blame Putin for taking what was offered on a silver platter.

    1. The USG enticed Ukraine to give up it's nuclear deterrence with a security agreement.
    2. The USG refused to provide effective conventional defensive arms to Ukraine until after the Russian invasion.
    3. The USG violated its security agreements with Ukraine and passively watched Russia occupy the Crimea.

    IOW, The USG gifted Crimea to Putin/Russia - probably took some very substantial bribes.

    Do you know the dollar amount of all US aid to Ukraine during the Obama administration?
     
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    Nuclear weapons are the only deterrent.
    Our troops on the ground in SK are a trigger - a human sacrifice.
     
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    USA Empire is coming to the end, the question who will be the world next Emperor?
     

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