Should Pelosi shut down the hearings to save the party or continue on and risk everything?

If I was Pelosi, I would shut down the hearings and let Schiff take the fall. If the hearings continue then the democrats have a very good chance of not just re-electing Trump, but also losing a lot of seats.

What do you guys say?

 

She needs to hang it up but she’s hanging tough.

Top Democrats privately concede major shift in public opinion on impeachment is unlikely

(CNN)House Democrats are publicly holding out hope that historic impeachment hearings will persuade a vast majority of the American public that President Donald Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors — but privately many acknowledge that it's unlikely to happen.

In a private meeting this week, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her top lieutenants were skeptical about the prospects of a dramatic shift in opinion even as public impeachment hearings began this week, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter. The upshot, the sources said: Democrats need to move forward with impeachment proceedings even if the politics are murky, noting that even during Richard Nixon's presidency most of the public was divided until soon before he was forced to resign.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/politics/democratic-impeachment-strategy/index.html?no-st=1573947829

 

DREAM ON!!!Just look at how GOP REPS are fleeing the house again ahead of this next election,they cannot stand the way Dirty Donald is running the country.At least 20 have already announced their departure.

 

I don't think Pelosi's in charge anymore now that the commies are running the party. I think the die is cast and the Democrats will experience a long run of losing until someone in the party grows a set and purges the party of the progressive cancer that has destroyed it. I'm in favor of letting it collapse and let the conservatives run the show for the next fifty years.

 

If she was smart she would. But imagine the backlash from the MSM and the left.

 

Pelosi is a master strategist and her party accepts that. The impeachment hearing will continue because it must. As Americans, we believe in our Constitution. I'm not sure of Yovanovitch's impact. It appears to have been considerable, but that is only a guess. I'll wait to see the public reaction. I felt Yovanovitch represented a real danger to Trump. The stable genius may have sealed the deal with he incredibly unwise tweet. Has this marked the turning point for Trump? It's a question worthy of consideration.

 

An embarrassing time to be a demoncrat.

 

Pelosi isnt close to a genius. Shes hardly a competent partisan hack.

They need to up their game if they are wanting to get the public behind impeachment. Right now the Democrats are just embarrassing themselves

 

LOL, I love reading these paranoid Trumpers threads. God it must suck to back a soon to be impeached POTUS. LMAO

 

Impeachment has a life of its own. Pelosi couldn't stop if she wanted to. The democratic base wants it so bad, they'd be rioting in the streets if Pelosi tried to stop it. It doesn't mean anything, not much anyway. The house impeaches, passes the articles of impeachment. The senate acquits most along a party line vote. Nothing accomplished outside of appeasing the democratic base.

The results are a foregone conclusions. This is worst than watching last year's supper bowl. Actually watching last year's super bowl for a third time has more suspense than this impeachment thing does.

 

Absolutely not. She needs to stand with her caucus and bring this impeachment to its logical conclusion.

 

She can't stop this. The thing is, even the democrats here understand that it won't get past the senate. They're hoping that there will be enough evidence that Trump tied getting foreign aid to Ukraine to investigating Biden, and that will be enough to convince people that Trump is evil.

Rather hard to do when we have video of Biden using aid tied to Ukraine to get a prosecutor fired.

Even if all of that is true, it's just not good for democrats who are now stuck defending Biden using foreign aid to Ukraine, but for some reason, that's not okay for Trump to use foreign aid to investigate Biden. And that's a reason for impeachment? Even if their wildest dreams come true and Trump is impeached by the senate and he has to leave the oval office in disgrace, just... what do they think normal people will do? They'll just elect Trump again.

Or do they think they'll elect Biden who is already on video talking about bribing Ukraine?

 

No one is defending Biden (at least not that I have seen), it is just irrelevant to the impeachment hearings.

Also, if trump is removed by the senate he can never hold public office again — there is no option to “just elect trump again”.

Personally my wildest dreams is impeachment is successful, then acquittal with republicans making a public mockery of the process, his tax returns are released, he wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college. Followed by criminal investigations in each state where he does business. Then another bankruptcy and a new sitcom!

 

Actually, impeachment even by the senate wouldn't keep him out of the oval office if he wins again. That's just not in the cards, even if the senate did convict him (it won't).

Time to start looking at possibilities rather than impossibilities. Your best bet would be that the house votes to send it to the senate, who will then have their own investigations, and you can bet that schiff rules won't apply. He and you will just have to sit there slack jawed as the real evidence is revealed to the public.

hint: it won't be pretty.

 

I don't see how exposing Trump and having republicans mouth absurdities in backing him up qill cause the dem in congress any problems. Since the start of this persecution of Trump by the dems, they have won seats in congress and now have won two governors races in states that were won by trump and have taken over Virginia.

This isn't Clinton getting oral sex and lying about it. This is actually something that the president should not do as commander in chief. Pelosi and the majority of the dems were right in not going after impeachment for the obstructions or the emoluments (although, I think that is next, as even trump now realizes with the G7 and plans to ell the trump hotel n DC)

 

When you say that this is not something that a president should be doing, are you saying that he should not pursue uncovering possible corruption and interference in the 2016 election?

So it is OK for a group of partisans to explore possible foreign interference for a couple of years but not OK when the president himself looks at something that the Mueller team was not willing to touch?
I'm now hearing the same lame groans about what Barr and Durham are looking into.

And in respect to Biden, Biden himself bragged about a shakedown. Biden created his own smoking gun........

And Crowdstrike was identified in May of 2017 as having accessed FBI data bank information that they were not authorized to look at.
Trump has every right to follow up on what a US court has already established to be a situation where there is already probable cause of criminal activities.

Complain all you want, but the folks in the heartland see this for exactly what it is.... Corruption on the part of several Dems/bureaucrats.

 

Yep she knocked it outta the park.

 

I guess it's a matter of perspective. I've taken it at face value that democrats actually believe that what they accuse him of doing is just terrible. Trump denies it, but even if true, I assure you that republicans don't care. The money got to Ukraine, and even if it didn't, who really cares?

Think about it. Democrats are complaining that money Americans don't care all that much about (we'd rather have it in our pockets, but what hell) going to a country we can't locate on a map should somehow be aghast that Trump used to get Ukraine to investigate our bitter rivals?

I think not.

 

So are you bragging about ignorance on the right?

 

Trying to reframe my stance to something you can grasp isn't the answer you need.

 

The dems should keep "Ridin' with Biden".....

 

Just the opposite. Dems rely on the low info voters to stay in office. Anyone who does not see the "impeachment hearings" as just another power grab by the dems is either uninformed or being willfully dishonest.

 

Reading through posts from conservatives, just like listening to Republîcan politicians and right wing commentators, I often get the feeling that we must live in alternative universes.

Conservative have never liked Pelosi or Shiff, mostly, just because they are Democrats from Californ-i-a. Where the Republicans were driven from power for being too racist. Too mean spirited.

I think that the hearings are going just fine. I have been reading some of the transcripts from the depositions of the witnesses to come. I think the next three or four witnesses to come were in on the call. First hand witnesses. And you know Sondland is going to flip on Trump. It is either that or go to jail for lying to Congress. Sondland's character is going to be entertaining, I'm sure, in the movie re--creation of the Impeachment of Donald Trump. It is sure to end up, a comedy of errors.

The hearings have an interesting dynamic. Shiff is clearly the alpha male, keeping order and keeping the Republicans from turning the proceedings into a $#&@ show. This leaves Republicans like Jordan and Ratcliffe looking like yard dogs, barking at whoever walks by.

If what Trump was doing, was on the up and up, why didn't he go through normal channels? Why did he have to go in through the back door with corrupted individuals? It seems to me, the phone call to Sondland is more damning to Trump, than the one to Zelensky.

 

You hit the core of this issue. Not only does the President have the right to launch investigations into documented corruption by US officials, and to ask for foreign assistance in that investigation... he, as the top US law enforcement official, has an absolute duty to do so.

The idea that a key player in that corruption should be immune just because they are a candidate in the primary for their party, is absurd.

 

I don't know about low information voters, but I have been reading the transcripts and watching the hearings. There is clear wrong doing on the part of the president and his operatives. One thing that keeps being missed is that two of Trump's operatives were caught funneling Russian money into Trump's campaign. Why are Trump's followers okay with the Russians continuing to help Trump?