Yovanovitch gets standing ovation at the end of 5-hour hearing

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  1. HockeyDad

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    According to CNN, Obama NEVER, not even once gave the Ukrainians a single LETHAL weapon. Trump gave the Ukrainians sniper rifles, rocket launchers and anti-tank missiles. The data clearly demonstrates that Trump has done far more to harm Russia and help Ukraine than Obama. For you to pretend otherwise seems rather silly since the evidence is there for anybody to see.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/poli...tary-aid-sheets-pillows-fact-check/index.html

    When Trump is gone, we will still be here. This is our country too. You have set the bar for us. When your man is in, our number one j
     
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    Asinine STRAWMAN ignored for obvious reasons since I never did anything of the sort.
     
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    Oh, just stop....one incident, which could have been artfully staged to gain sympathy, does not mean Democrats are all sexists anymore than having a President that lusts after his own daughter makes all Republicans sleazeballs...
     
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    You have no clue what your talking about.
     
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    It reminds you, not me. i haven't done any research on Schiff's name; what have you come up with to make you think what you said is true? You have a link you can share with us?
     
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    Your question is absurd.
     
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    The entire proceedings with her was staged by the Democrats to gain sympathy. And the woman with a steel spine played along with it expressing her feelings of devastation at every opportunity instead of acting professionally. That is sexism in total with the victim playing the role.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Oh, just stop....one incident, which could have been artfully staged to gain sympathy, does not mean Democrats are all sexists anymore than having a President that lusts after his own daughter makes all Republicans sleazeballs...



    Sorry you responded before reading the post of mine you quoted.

    Now, what was your problem ?

    A witness acting ?!!!!!! Uh, that's what they do...

    I state , "it was staged" and you argue ," it was staged"........that's pretty funny......
     
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    If that tape were enough, then why do Biden's poll numbers continue to show him beating Trump next year by an average of 9 points? If Trump weren't desperate to ruin him before the election, he wouldn't have mentioned investigating him and Burisma several times in that one call.

    And please don't bother to reply with that pure bull pucky about Trump's concern with corruption. Trump's concern has always been for himself.
     
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    By your many posts, I'm assuming you're male. Apologies if I have that wrong, but as a man, how would you know what is or isn't sexist?

    As a woman and a benchmark feminist from the 60s, I heard nothing sexist or condescending from the questions, merely concern for a career diplomat under fire. The point was to illustrate clearly to the watching public the threatening nature of Trump's remarks about the ambassador, and they accomplished that with a huge helping hand from Trump himself when he tweeted more attacks as she was testifying. She could have been a he, the point was the intimidation from the president.
     
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    It’s sad to see Democrats acting in a condescending manner toward a woman and that strong woman playing the victim.
     
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    Kent agreed that Burisma should be investigated.
     
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    Treating a female professional differently from a male professional is sexist.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Oh, just stop....one incident, which could have been artfully staged to gain sympathy, does not mean Democrats are all sexists anymore than having a President that lusts after his own daughter makes all Republicans sleazeballs...





    Sorry you responded before reading the post of mine you quoted.

    Now, what was your problem ?

    A witness acting ?!!!!!! Uh, that's what they do...

    I state , "it was staged" and you argue ," it was staged"........that's pretty funny......



    Ya, it was sad to see a Presidential candidate acting in a vile, disgusting , condescending, dismissive way towards women...but Republicans elected him anyway.
     
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    Yes, but since when have Republicans cared about sexism????

    AND when have they recognized it in themselves?
     
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    This isn't about a crime, a violation of a federal code. I'm sorry, I thought we all knew that. This is about a president who obviously cares more about getting reelected than about our national security. Holding up that aide was dangerous and unneccessary, and likely caused the deaths of Ukrainians trying to hold back the Russian army.

    He abused the power of our Oval Office for personal gain. It is the job of the DOD to insure that a country receiving military assistance is worthy and that the aid is not a danger to national security, and the DOD, along with a bipartisan majority in congress, had already approved the aid for Ukraine. That makes Trump's claim that he was only interested in Ukraine investigating corruption in their ranks the pure bee ess that it clearly is.

    The Constitution includes the political process of impeachment for exactly this sort of thing. This is a textbook case, ask any Constitutional scholar.
     
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    He does the same to men as well. His harsh criticism is gender neutral.
     
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    Your questions are absurd.
     
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    Zelenskiiy is not a surbordinate to Trump. He's the democratically elected president of a sovereign nation.
     
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    Did Ukraine receive the aid ???
     
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    Why does Ukraine need military aid ???
     
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    What, that's Trumps a big meanie head?

    Funny how butthurt the little Brennan-ites get when they get taken to the woodshed
     
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    Progressives have to act woke. Yovanovich is not only a woman in a powerful position, but she is also gay. That's why they defended her and berated Trump over a human resources issue. In fact, she is doing better now than she was before being fired. Her feelings weren't even hurt. She's glad she is at Georgetown. There is no real issue.
     
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    It's been a progressive movement of aid to Ukraine, gradually stepping up each year as they successfully dealt with cleaing house. Congress decides how much aid, and the nature of that aid. The president can do no more than suggest, or veto aid bills. Obama was not the one denying Javelins, no more than Trump is responsible for Ukraine receiving that specific type of lethal aide sonce taking office. To simplify: it ain't up to him.

    Do you know the history of our involvement with Ukraine? Do you understand their strategic importance? When previous congresses approved specific aid packages, what we gave was dependent upon many factors, like getting the fingers of local oligarchs out of the public pie, a very complex and difficult task.

    Go and read up on why we became involved with Ukraine in the first place, familiarize yourself with what Ukraine has sacrificed in order to democratize their country and join the civilized west in Europe. Really, everyone trying to debate this issue should pipe down and do their homework first.

    You seem like a reasonably intelligent guy. Get back to me when you've done your homework and can respond with something besides sarcasm and right wing talking points.
     
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    And she wasn't a material witness.. her testimony about what she thinks doesn't do anything.
     
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