Yovanovitch gets standing ovation at the end of 5-hour hearing

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  1. AFM

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    The collusion delusion continues.
     
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    Sorry buddy, but the facts are proving it to be the case.
     
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    Giggles
     
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    Zelensky knew very well he was being manipulated and used by Trump. Here he was.... a democratically elected new president of a country that had seen more than their share of corruption ever since the breakup of the Soviet Union. He ran on a platform of cleaning up corruption in Ukraine's government, and it's the US president that's actually trying to corrupt him by holding military aid for Ukraine soldiers being killed at the Russian front. Even Gordon Sondland told David Holmes who was with him at the cafe when Sondland called Trump (on an unsecured phone) . After the call, Holmes inquired about Trump’s true feelings about Ukraine. Holmes said Sondland told him that Trump only cares about “the big stuff” when it comes to Ukraine. Holmes said he noted that Ukraine’s armed conflict with Russia was “big stuff,” but Sondland clarified that he meant something else — he was thinking “‘big stuff’ that benefits the president, like the ‘Biden investigation.’”
     
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    Sounds racist to me to be honest.
     
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    What facts ?? There have been zero facts of bribery (which is the new focus group term) from the three witnesses public testimony.
     
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    Everything sounds racist to progressives.
     
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    On the same night, just hours after Maria Yovanovitch had just finished hosting an event to honor a young anti-corruption activist who had been killed in horrific fashion. She had presented a medal to the father of this young woman that had been murdered in Ukraine because she was an anti-corruptionist. Marie Yovanovitch received a call that same night from a woman at the State Dept in the U.S. There was some obvious concerns on the part of the State Dept official because she told her to leave Ukraine on the next plane.

    People here are clueless about things that are going on in places like Ukraine where people are murdered if they try to uncover corruption in the government. This young woman who was murdered, Kateryna Viktorivna Handziuk, was a Ukrainian civil rights and anti-corruption activist campaigner and political advisor, who exposed corruption in her hometown of Kherson, at the cost of her own life. Someone splashed her with a quart of sulfuric acid, severely burning more than 30 percent of her body. After 11 surgeries over three months, Kateryna Handziuk succumbed to her excruciating wounds. She was 33.

    So yes, there was some very genuine concern for the safety of Marie Yovanovitch.
     
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    Let me see if I can make this a little clearer for you. Marie Yovanovitch was GONE from Ukraine, got it? She was not there at the time of the July phone call to Zelensky. She answered honestly, she had no information about the call since it hadn't yet occurred. She was clear in her testimony. She had no information once she was gone regarding anything that would happen in the future.
     
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    Trump does not know what Democrat will win their convention. So how do you know who it is, given the person is not yet named? Some of what is said by poster opposing me is pure conjecture.f

    In any event as loyal Dems keep saying, she was gone prior to Trump chatting with Zelensky. Since Mueller prosecuted some connected to Ukraine, it is reasonable to also check out it's corruption.

    Can you cite any remarks by Zelensky alleging he was bullied or threatened at all? Zelensky is my witness. Don't know who yours is.
     
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    In July, when the call to Zelensky was made, Joe Biden was leading every single poll, even the Fox poll. Trump felt threatened because from the very start, Joe Biden is the one candidate that could beat Trump in 2020, .... or so all the polls said at that time.

    Zelensky won't admit he was bullied out of fear that if he did his aid and support would dry up instantly because he knows Trump is a vicious man who would do that to Ukraine. It's clearly out of fear that he agreed to anything Trump asked. That's also been substantiated in the call between Sondland and Trump.
     
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    There you go again. Irrelevant word salad. I suppose the thinking is that the number of words wins an argument ??
     
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    Polls do not threaten Trump. Haven’t progressives figured this out by now ???
     
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    And your point would be ???
     
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    In other words, since she was gone for a few months, she was not even a witness!!!! That does clear it up.






















    So in
     
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    I know that you're a Fox watcher, it's evident by the number of words you can read before losing your ability to pay attention. No, I do not speak or explain complex matters using 'bullet points' or Cliff notes.
     
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    Shouldn't be involved in dirty money.
    That's a Biden problem
     
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    Uh, that's right, She was not present at the time of the July call, subsequently she could only testify as to the facts leading up to her removal and reputational smear by Giuliani, Parnas and Igor Fruman. Lev Parnas testified to the fact that he was on a 'secret mission'. Lev Parnas claims Donald Trump asked him to undertake a 'secret mission' to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
     
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    Stick to what you know and stop with the pretense you speak on behalf of Zelensky. As to Biden topping the polls? That is his ticket to not go to jail for corruption?
     
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    Why is it we never read the nature of this smear you allege? Biden should clearly be investigated. He admitted what he did to Ukraine to benefit his own son.
     
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    Extrapolating an anecdote to Yavanovitch is not "exaining" anything
     
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    Yes, this gets him, Kerry, Pelosi and their children off the hook
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Adoration is blind....


    And the fact that you don't see any with Republicans substantiates my post above..


    I never denied what the Democrats did....
     
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    The smear? Against Yovanovitch? Is that what you are referring to? Show me where Biden admitted what he did to Ukraine to benefit his own son.
     
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    Word salads are not required to understand this. There is no evidence of criminal activity nor abuse of power by Trump. The lengthy explanations of complex matters by the progressive left is gibberish.
     

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