Nearly 80,000 immigrants approved for DACA have arrest records

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is not a subtraction from the total crimes. It is simple logic - that is obviously above your pay grade.

    Notice I give numerical examples to support my claim - and all you do is twirl around going "no no no".

    Take any population you like 100 people ... it doesn't matter. Take the number of crimes per person - that is the total number of crimes. Say the percentage is 20%

    The total number of crimes is then 20.

    Now take away 10 people with a crime rate of ( 10%) - add in 10 new people with a crime rate of (10%) guess what Sherlock - the number of crimes is exactly the same.

    If we assume the crime rate of the new people is the ave of the US (20%) .. the crime rate goes up by deporting the 10 people who's rate is 10%.

    The assumption in your new (and even more ridiculous) claim is that the 10 people added .. would not commit any crimes.

    That is the flaw in your logic - that you are desperately trying to avoid.
     
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    A preventable crime is more a tragedy than one you have nearly no control over. If you can’t see the difference between preventable crime and crime that will happen no matter what,
    what can you say? You just don’t see how responsibility and decision making effects your life.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And not all DACA recipients are still children.
    You seem to be struggling with this...
     
  4. Professor Peabody

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    We know who they are, where they are so we need to deport every illegal with a criminal record.
     
  5. Professor Peabody

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    You assume 10 new people will take their place.......got proof?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually it seems to be the case that the SC has this question under consideration and shall rule by around June 2020
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And one supposes that there are illegals churning out babies thinking that shall save them. Well the SC shall decide.
     
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    Illegals have been churning out babies to keep them in the country since the day we allowed that BS to happen. It’s been a horrible disaster for us that has brought on generations of welfare recipients and poverty.
     
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    What you are saying makes no sense. In a given population you do not know who is going to commit a crime and who will not. It is like looking into a pot with popcorn seeds roasting in oil - and predicting which one will pop first.

    If we kicked out all 10 million illegals - we would have to replace them with 10 million other people (presumably legal immigrants - who will commit crimes - the same as the illegals. The only way to prevent crime by one group - or the other - is to let neither in - and that is not going to happen ... unless we take a policy decision to reduce the total population of the USA.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Population in this nation grows every year. Unless we adopt a Population reduction policy - these people will be replaced with someone.

    You cant kick 10 million people out of the country (which is at least 5 million workers) and not have consequences. If the population of the US is 330 million - and you kick 10 million out - reducing the population to 320 million - at some point - we will be 330 again and these folks will have been replaces.
     
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    For a serious discussions sake unlike the trolls on this board, if they haven't committed major felonies then I have no problem with them staying here. The truth is though they have no status in Mexico either so we're keeping them all. The figure does show how broken our immigration policy is. If they're parents came here legally, this problem goes away. Fix the problem at the source, open the boarder via visa's for qualified people that offer things this country needs. Close the boarder for all bad actors and enforce the border to insure others can't easily get in illegally. The left won't touch this and we all know they have no desire to stop the illegalities that happen on our borders every day, I suspect if you follow the money you'll find out why.
     
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    I know exactly who won’t commit a crime. An illegal who was prevented from getting into the country in the first place. Can’t rob someone if you’re not here. Can’t kill someone in LA if you’re back in Mexico. Is it computing yet:)

    And we wouldn’t have to replace 10 million illegals if we deported them. We would just have 10million less people using resources they aren’t paying for and life would move on. Certain industries would have temporary issues but NONE that can’t be solved by legal workers you know, working. Either citizens or those here using LEGAL VISAS.

    We don’t NEED illegals. They are a net drain on the economy and cost far more than they contribute. Any jobs they are doing can be accomplished through LEGAL means. When they get into car accidents with us there’s less accidents if they’re not here. Their children won’t be in schools requiring extra taxes to support them. That’s money being spent more efficiently...sort of. Any people they are robbing won’t be robbed anymore. Anyone they would have killed would be ALIVE!!!! The drugs they smuggle in would have to be done by other means.

    Does this compute? If you don’t have a dog you can’t be bitten by that dog. If you dont have a pool you can’t accidentally drown in it. If an illegal is back in their home country they can NOT rob, rape, use the hospitals, have children that instantly become citizens or do anything that could cause your death. DOES THIS COMPUTE?
     
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    That's exactly the kind of 'softness' that these people exploit.

    First Worlders are so painfully naive that they haven't a clue what's being done to them.
     
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    This is in addition to ignoring identity theft.
     
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    Are you saying our Proggy friends are racists?
     
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    Not being American, I read that as deporting 300 kilogram illegals :D
     
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    Obviously. What's your point?
     
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    Sounds like you read and took my posts
    to heart.
    Yes the SUPREMES do. With Judge Raper owing Trump big time DACA is going down.
     
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    No, because they're removed from the DACA rolls if they have convictions to make it look that way.

    These are just the ones who haven't committed a crime sufficient enough for removal from DACA yet.
     
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    Well us Americans don't use kilograms or kilometers we use real measurements.
    Ha ha!
     
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    Hence my mention of not being American?
     
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    I was talking about the ones with arrest records. Those folks we DON'T need.
     
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    So was I .. ?? !! ??
     
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    2 different approaches I guess.
     
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    By golly I say let's put everyone over 19 without a high school diploma in prison, that'll for sure cut down on crime because we know some of them might commit crimes! I mean if our goal is to prevent crimes then let's do it!
    And then let's deport the 63 million people that are in the US at any given time that weren't born here.
    While we're at it how about all those people not of European decent, what are they doing roaming free on the streets?

    When you stop seeing human beings and start only seeing "those" you dehumanize yourself.
     
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