Turkey sending foreign ISIS fighters back to home countrys - including US

That's a philosophical question. I personally believe that at some level there's a personal choice, but it can also be real easy to fall into that. It shapes their mind. (Though they let it shape their mind, in the first place)

Many Christians believe there is active demonic spiritual influence. (So still ultimately a personal choice, but some powerful supernatural effects going on)

 

So as a society - how do we deal with the problem of the use of sophisticated mind control in extremist religious sects ?

 

I think there's a big cultural element to all of this too, and religious. Certain religions may be inherently much more prone than others to extremism.

There's also not necessarily an easy simple answer to the question you ask.
At least not one that's non-controversial.

Some cynical political theorists have observed that democracies haven't been very successful in the Muslim World, they need to be ruled with a heavy iron hand.
I hope this isn't true, but sadly there may possibly be some truth to it.

The most successful of these countries are Malaysia and Morrocco, but they are at the far-flung peripheries of the Muslim World, and some have observed democracy in Malaysia is not so free as the type normally associated with that word. (In reality it only borders on being democracy)

 

Education would help - but the powers at be refuse to do even this much.

 

You mean education to try to make them more secular?

The country of Turkey has been struggling with this for years, and seems to be losing the battle.

Many secularists in Turkey have complained that the more radical muslims outbreed them, outpacing any progress they may have made.

The prime minister of Turkey even banned private religious schools several years ago.
Turkey bans cram schools

 

Education on the sophisticated mind control techniques in play. Also education on what "sharia law is" = forcing religious belief on others through physical violence - and how this is an anathema to individual liberty.

Many Islamist's do not believe themselves to be haters of essential liberty. These folks will claim - "There is no coercion in Islam"

Obviously these two things contradict each other - forcing religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law) is the ultimate coercion.

 

Good luck with that. Most muslims support it.

But there are numerous "qualifiers" to that claim.
Many of these statements do not mean what they sound like they mean upfront.

Did you listen to that video posted by thingamabob?
They only seem to contradict each other because what you hear them say is not what they actually mean.

What exactly did you think Islam means??

The name itself literally translates as "submission". (i.e. You will submit to it)

 

A very high percentage - depending on the nation. That needs to change



Note that there are many nations where the majority of Muslims do not support Sharia.

In any case - there is no effort to educate people in general (not just Muslims) on the dangers of sophisticated mind control techniques and how Sharia is an affront to individual liberty and an anathema to the stated doctrine "There is no coercion in Islam".

 

Maybe you should take a few pointers from how the Episcopalians managed to water down Christianity.

I don't know if any of that could be applicable to Islam.

The most liberal muslim sect are the Sufis, but some believe they aren't really real Islam and historically only took on the guise of Islam to save their heads. They have been driven to near extinction in the Middle East in recent years from other more radical groups attacking them.

 

1) Education on Sophisticated mind control techniques
2) Education on how Sharia is an affront to individual liberty and a contradiction of "no coercion in Islam".

 

Maybe they could try converting them to a more peaceful religion, like Buddhism or Christianity.


Is there any way it could be politically feasible for governments to do this?

Would that be too not PC?

 

Buddhism certainly seems to be more peaceful. Christianity - not so much - While the mind control techniques in Christianity are generally not as sophisticated as in Islam. In fundamentalist Christianity these techniques are widespread. As with the Islamist - wanting to force religious beliefs on others through physical violence (Law) - the Religious right does the same.

The main difference is that the Religious right is kept somewhat in check by our secular system. Given a free reign - as history has shown - the Christians were just as bad as the Muslims - if not worse in many instances.

The solution to the problem is to focus on the evil ideology - and not some specific religion directly. That and education in sophisticated mind control techniques.

 

Noticeably you skipped over the "almost" 100 grenades in close to 300 days so every third day then

Hundred explosions in Sweden: What's going on?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/worl...n-sweden-whats-going-on/ar-BBWCp33?li=BBqdg4K

 

This post is a perfect example of how the main stream media brainwashed millions of people. Yes Soros in 1979 and his media became involved with the ANC communists at the same time the Soviet Union took a renewed interest... unbelievably no one questions this coincidence - Soros goes on as adviser to TWO US Presidents (Clinton and Obama Administration), with seriously concerning links to the Soviet Union.

They had homes.. proper homes and could get open heart surgery for R1, $1, here's some more benefits the media would never tell you. btw the only people you liberated was the whites... because they had to pay through their nose for all these benefits during Apartheid... when the dust settles in the next two decades, the poor blacks will suffer and the whites will be liberated. You should be ashamed of yourselves for causing so much black suffering.

 

btw According to the Dutch.. Turkey is an ISIS base

Dutch Intelligence Says ISIS Using Turkey as Strategic Base
https://eu.greekreporter.com/2019/11/18/dutch-intelligence-says-isis-using-turkey-as-strategic-base/

 

Do you not understand the definitions of "grenade" and "explosion"? Your cooker can explode without the assistance of a grenade. In fact, I cannot recall a single incident anywhere in the world where a cooker was exploded with a grenade.

 

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perhaps you are the one who need to search for definitions... or just read the article ... either way you sound rather upset, can't say I blame you.. Sweden is just not... Sweden anymore, it's a violent volatile rapist OPEN space.

Swedish Liberals are also not taking stock of where their actions have gotten them nor their country... they just keep following their rubbish liberal agenda.

 

The same source that gave us absolute proof of WMD's in Irak, no doubt.

Sorry love, but I have been to SoWeTo. Those shacks wouldn't be called "proper homes" by an autistic baboon.

This is a perfect example of how the Apartheid government brainwashed millions of white South Africans into accepting black destitution as humane for a population who were compelled to travel long distances in chock-a-block, dilapidated buses between the shanty townships (which were forced multi-ethnic slums without regard their dissimilar customs and languages) to the city for meager wages and who were expected to survive on little more than mielie-meal. "The African requires much less to survive than whites and are content with their lot", said the Apartheid henchmen.

And you, my dear.

With regards Apartheid you noticeably you skipped over what the Apartheid regime of South Africa did not only to its's own African population but also what they did in the Congo, Angola, South-West Africa, and the Comoros.

 

You've read nothing I've written, have you. It sounds that you have been indoctrinated with the American "with us or against us" attitude. I suggest that you scroll up and see what I have written on the subject of migration to Sweden and I implore you (once again) to understand the definitions of 'grenade' and 'explosion'.

 

you've lost if Thinga... your insults only reflect on yourself

 

I hate responses that are pieced together... one liners reflect scattered thoughts.

the Source for Soros and his involvement with the ANC is Soros himself,

and the source for the Soviet Union's involvement with South Africa is a book called People's War, written by Anthea Jeffery... and before you start ranting about poor Anthea she works for the Institute of Race relations so much for your attempt to right wing my source. If you persist I can even look up the quote for you... let me do it anyway (snicker)

https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-war-light-struggle-Africa/dp/1868423573

What did they do in the Congo, Angola, Namibia... they fought communism, it was the cold war... but of course that would be a problem for you since we both understand which side you are on.... communism.

Besides regarding Soros and his soviet connections... there are more than simply the involvement with the ANC. Other's have also asked this question... I stumbled upon it when my own questions were raised
https://zenobiuszjuz.wordpress.com/2016/01/28/is-george-soros-a-communist-agent/

 

Would you care to point to these “insult” you speak of?

I rest my case.

The source for SA Apartheid regime's involvement in neighbouring nations is a matter of undisputed fact. Is it not?

Perhaps there is an obscure point in your statement that I have missed?
Those nations ….. fought Apartheid, colonization of their own land, and capitalism.

I do not think that you understand very much about “where I stand”. I do not believe you are reading what I have had to say. Either it's going over your head or your prejudices won't allow you to read my comments in order to understand what I am telling you.

Ps. Would it be alright if I ask you your age?

 

more scattered thoughts... I don't have to ask your age

Thinga... go have a lie down

 

The difficulties in transmitting the experience and knowledge of a 71-year-old to an inexperienced teenager is fairly obvious … and I assume that your response here (having nothing to do with the subject of discussion) is “your best shot”. I think we are finished here.

 

You can't change history to suit yourself... not even when you are 71 years old. The media lied to you, they served as propaganda and countries like Sweden ate it all up.... the lesson is that this propaganda war is still in practice, it did not end with Apartheid. You yourselves are now the target.