Far From the Front Lines, Javelin Missiles Go Unused in Ukraine

Ahhh, now you've done it.

 

How much closer ?? How long would it take to bring these javelins to the Ukraine - Russian border by helicopter ??

 

LOL - Hunter's role was filling his bank account with stacks of Ukrainian cash.

 

Makes perfect sense.

Plus they won't invite small scale attacks on the front lines and risk being captured if they're in the rear.

 

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Nothing Illegal.

 

Yeah, thet just make it easier for Eastern Ukraine to get taken. A better strategy would be a stronger frontline and then back up say 75 miles with additional javelins.

 

You're stuck into a WW1-WW2 mindset. Battlefields today are fluid and in depth. The Ukrainian don't have the ressources to resist a full invasion by russia anymore than Canada would be able to prevent an invasion from the USA. A couple of man portable AT weapons don't really matter when you don't have any airforce and artillery to support them.

 

It's not about being able to take on a full on attack from Russia, which of course, Ukraine cannot...proper weapons, training, positioning of weapons serve as a deterrent and to slow an attempted invasion should there be one. Building up NATO in the region also serves as a deterrent.

 

I'm not convinced of that, but he's innocent until proven guilty.

 

Ukraine isn't part of Nato...
If the 4th armed force in the world was totally destroyed in a couple of weeks, Iraq in the 90's, how long do you think the broken ukrainian military will last against the #2/#3 in the world when they can't even beat ill equiped and badly trained insurgents. Are you willing to go there and die for the ukrainians? Because I don't know many serving today that wants to go, again, defend somebody else abroad.

 

You consider "serious experience" 6 years?

https://aviationweek.com/author/lara-seligman

She's practically a general.

 

Like when they say the talked with military officers without naming them... They found a 2nd Lt in a foxhole somewhere...

 

No, it's not.

Any invasion will require massing supplies and equipment near the border for an invasion before one could start.

Also, as you can see from this map, eastern Ukraine could be completely cut off by a simultaneous attack from the north and the south.

Clearly the military commanders on the ground know more than your author who graduated College in 2011.

 

Looks like your articles are out of date:

While Trump was being a bit facetious, he's correct that Obama refused to permit the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine even after Congress gave him the green light.

It's extremely unfortunate, in my opinion, that Obama did not uphold the commitments President Clinton made in the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances of 1994. At this point the sale of the Javelins, etc., comes better late than never, I guess....

 

Trump's actions concerning Ukraine contradict the left's absurd claim that he's a Russian agent, or asset. (or colluder)

 

Not out of date; they span different, relevant date ranges.

 

I am not even leftist, and I see Trump is complicit.

 

Your snide remarks aside which add zero value, there are Russian forces on the border and there are a number of potential attack positions from Russia to consider. What would be more suitable strategically would be javelins among other weapons stored to be laid out in thirds across the Ukraine landmass. This Western storage of javelins was not Ukraine's decision or a military decision per se, but a stipulation made by Trump.

 

politico speak for out of date...

 

I'm not a leftist either, and I think he probably tried to do the same thing Biden did; only not to the same extent.

 

It makes sense to keep the Javelins far from the Russian border areas in order to avoid having them captured in some offensive, should it come.

 

Do you think the javelins are some sort of wonder weapon? They're really not.
In most case, one will not even stop a modern MBT by itself since most modern MBT have active or reactive protection against such weapons.
As I said previously, any AT position will be attacked from the air and with artillery against which those javelins are useless and against which the ukrainian have nothing to oppose them.

 

What did Biden try to do? How is what Trump doing to a different extent?

 

I didn't make a "snide" remark.

You presented a 2011 college graduate, who has 6 years writing for military magazines, as an "expert".

If the facts make the response look snide, that simply means your assertion was obviously ludicrous.

Anyone with tactical experience looking at that map sees that Kiev is in danger, and the chance of a drive down the middle is made even worse because of that fact.

The weapons are in the rear because that's the safest place for them in the event Kiev is attacked in such a scenario.

If Russia pushed down the middle towards Kiev, and launched southern operations from Crimea to split the country in two, the weapons are even less helpful in enemy hands.

 

Looking at the map, russians would be in kiev in days if not hours after the launch of the invasion.