How does one arrive at the truth............

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    .........when everyone is lying or withholding evidence?

    House Tells Court Impeachment Probe Is Looking At Whether Trump Lied To Mueller
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...ury-impeachment-trump-lied-manafort-wikileaks

    "A lawyer for the House of Representatives told an appeals court Monday that among the issues the House is probing in its ongoing impeachment inquiry is whether President Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

    The comments came in a hearing over whether the Judiciary Committee can access certain grand jury materials from Mueller’s probe. A district court judge already okayed their release, but now the the Justice Department is asking the appeals court to put that judge’s ruling on pause while it considers the case on the merits."
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    The problem being how to get to the truth since Stone is a liar who isn't cooperating, Manafort is a liar who isn't cooperating, Trump is a liar who isn't cooperating, and the DOJ is being run by Billy the Bagman.............who from the beginning has tried to hide the grand jury materials from Congress. A court has ruled he must turn over the documents.

    Judge rules DOJ must turn over Mueller grand jury material to House Democrats
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/...grand-jury-material-to-house-democrats-000299

    What's a man hired to act as the attorney for all Americans......I mean...........hired to defend Individual 1 in any way he can..............to do? Fight it in court of course, just as Don has had to fight the myriad of rulings that have gone against him. Barr could follow precedent established in the Nixon impeachment. As a branch of the government established to be independent from the WH's control that would be entirely appropriate. But heck, Don didn't get the Bagman on the team to do what is right.

    Is it in the people's interest to allow Congress to see pertinent evidence on whether the prez committed perjury? Unequivocally, yes. Is that why Billy is trying to block it form happening? Unequivocally, yes.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Well first one looks at everything Adam Schiffless has said for the last three years and stacks it on the lie pile. To that you add about 90% of what Comey has said and you're off to a good start.
     
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    You don't arrive at the truth. You either start knowing it or you're wrong to one degree or another.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your attempt at diversion is noted. Got anything to say on the subject of the post?
     
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    I for one don't care if he lied. The investigation was based on trumped up charges from political rivals using the FBI and DOJ in an evil manner.

    If he lied? Give him a medal.
     
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    You don't "arrive at the truth". You seek the truth and hope for the best. In the real world that is the best anyone can do.
     
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    OK, so one vote from a Trumper for looking the other way at perjury and obstructing a federal investigation by the POTUS. I must say sir, while I admire your honesty.............and while I am not surprised at your answer since it is representative of the lawless attitude of your ilk when it comes to Don.........I am nonetheless appalled at your disregard for the Constitution and everything the country stands for.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And when the avenues of seeking the truth are being obstructed by those with the power to do so..........one of which who is the subject of the investigation?
     
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    You mean your endless repetition of wishful thinking? Is there some reason I should bother refuting the same trite nonsense memes you've been posting for three years now?
     
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    No one ever claimed seeking the truth would be easy did they?
     
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    No one independent acknowledging that the Russian investigation as it relates to Trump was a political scam perpetrated by Hillary Clinton and bad government operatives working for her not for America.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Got anything to say on the subject of the post? Apparently the answer is no. It's always no. Which is why I'm adding you to my ignore list. There are already enough of you folks cluttering the board with nonsense so you will not be missed.
     
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    Especially when your mind is made up about what the truth is.
     
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    No. Now would you mind answering what to do when...........And when the avenues of seeking the truth are being obstructed by those with the power to do so..........one of which who is the subject of the investigation?

    Specifically, are you in favor or opposed to Congress getting access to the grand jury documents so a determination can be made about the truthfulness of Trump's answer on Wikileaks and Stone?
     
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    I am always impressed by posters that use words like "Adam Schiffless" and other grade school mockery. It truly adds lot to the argument. I'm sure Trump would approve. Good job.
     
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    Mercifully, I won't be reading his adolescent musings any longer.
     
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    If your avenues are being obstructed, seek a change of avenues.

    Opposed. It smacks of harassment.
     
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    Specifically, are you in favor or opposed to Congress getting access to the grand jury documents so a determination can be made about the truthfulness of Trump's answer on Wikileaks and Stone?
     
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    When one deals with the infantile one must perforce deal with them in the coin they understand.
    By the way where are your complaints about those who constantly speak of the orange fraud or other such inanities.
     
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    It's only begun
     
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    And all this obstruction of justice from someone WHO CLAIMS??he has the most transparent administration in history.
     
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    And all of that together won't add up to a tiny fraction of the lies Trump has told and continues to tell every time he spews ... er, speaks.

    :puke:
     
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    I think that's the "hope for the best" part, but we aren't getting "the best" anything from this White House.
     
  24. Lee Atwater

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    We are way past the question of transparency. This is about the fallacy of Billy the Bagman's "exoneration" con, his continued efforts to block Congress and the public from getting access to ALL the facts, and the impossible task Mueller had in actually discovering evidence of a conspiracy when he was prevented from discovering it.
    IT MAY BE THAT MUELLER'S CONCLUSION WAS CORRECT. But at this point in time we can not conclusively say one way or the other until the facts are known..............to the extent it is possible to know them given that the principles involved continue to conceal potentially inculpatory evidence.
     
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    Well, I've spent a good amount of time on this forum debunking and refuting the right wing talking points and rhetoric you keep posting.
     

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