Biden Says Marijuana Might Be A Gateway Drug

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have noticed more gun killings via gangs since the enactment of prohibition

    coincidence, I think not
     
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    Well we can't exactly legislate based on subjective definitions of right and wrong in this regard. If so then we will forever be a completely hypocritical society when it comes to laws as is the case now.

    We simply have way too much access to completely legal things that are "wrong to do" for us to rationally justify excluding marijuana for some arbitrary reason. Marijuana legislation is based almost solely on the personal beliefs of a generation of citizens who also happen to be lawmakers. There is no demonstrable evidence to support an argument supporting the legalization of whiskey and keeping marijuana illegal. It's all based on personal beliefs.

    If somebody were out here advocating that vodka should be illegal but whiskey is fine then we would all dismiss that person because no argument they could come up with would make any logical sense. But when it comes to weed vs liquor we somehow accept these irrational arguments as being based in logic and reason instead of personal bias for some reason.

    I mean there is seriously almost no scenario one can come up with regarding weed to where we couldn't replace the word "weed" with "whiskey" and have the situation be much worse. Yet we legalize one and not the other, the more harmful of the two mind you....That makes no rational sense whatsoever.
     
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    then you support legalization?

    I am pro-choice, choose for yourself, and I am glad there are people that buck the system when the system is in the wrong

    if the gov came after your handguns would you tell everyone to hand them over - I would be glad some bucked the system as that would be a bad law as well

    I am all for outlawing synthetic drugs, not natural ones, who is the government to tell us what plants we can consume
     
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    bad idea to make things illegal a large part of the population want

    especially mushrooms and Marijuana that have health benefits


    http://eazysmoke.com/marijuana-quotes.htm

    "The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."
    - Albert Einstein quote on Hemp"

    looking in a mirror wondering if he would be able to see his reflection if he was going the speed of light..... hmmmm
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All sorts of legislation is based on subjective interrpretations of right and wrong.
    How many criminal offenses are there that weren't even a crime 70 years ago?
     
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    I don't think drugs being illegal is wrong.
    I think it's extremely immoral for people to use illegal drugs and support the murderous cartels.

    I think using them is incredibly bad for your body and for your spirit.

    If they become legal and the supply chain doesn't support the cartels I'll have no issues but keep them the hell away from me.
     
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    Hemp is not a drug
     
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    I said specifically in this regard. The reason is because in this particular case it literally makes no sense whatsoever. There is not an argument that can be presented for marijuana to remain illegal while whiskey remains legal. It simply cannot be done. If one wants to argue that both in fact should be illegal then by all means that's an actual rational argument to be made. But arguing in favor of one and not the other in regards to legality can only be done using personal bias.

    As stated earlier, the only reason weed remains illegal is because folks like Joe Biden and others from his generation personally think it should be. There is no rational argument being presented as to WHY, it's just because they want it to be and they make the rules.

    I would be more than happy to hear an argument that can defend whiskey and not weed.
     
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    That's fake news and I am not sure why you are attacking an organization that tries to keep teenagers alive by not drinking and driving.

    That is very very low and an uncalled for shot against an organization like that.
     
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    Does that mean no one else does either?

    I dont understand why people are against adults choosing a less harmful intoxicant than alcohol.

    I dont think it is the govtd biz what a free people eats or smokes.

    And to lock people up for exercising a basic right isnt wise.

    Research? Hell it has been going on since at least the 70s! How much more is needed?

    We found out the bud if potent enough will give you a buzz and unlike booze does not make you feel feet tall and bullet proof.

    We found out that kids dont need to use it nor any other drug including booze.

    We found out indica helps with sleep and not as dangerous as sleeping pills .

    And that eating it yields a different buzz than vaping it or smoking. Most people who freak out on it comes with edibles. So it can give some panic attacks. Especially if they eat too muvh.

    And objectively pot is the least harmful intoxicant out there .

    I would never vote for anyone who wants to keep it illegal. They are not inyelligent enough to be in politics and harmful to basic rights.



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    I grew up drinking raw milk. Every kid I knew drank raw milk. There was no pile of dead bodies from consuming milk right from the teats of a milk cow.

    Yet in most states it is illegal to sell it. Supposed to be dangerous.

    Personally I prefer store bought cooked milk. The taste. I had too much raw milk in my youth that tasted of wild onions if your cow got in a patch of them while grazing
     
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    More reason to legalize it so you buy from a legal grower and seller .

    The same can be said of booze during prohibition. We learned something from prohibition in regards to crime and mobs who got rich selling booze .

    But stupid and ignorant people could not and did not learn that lesson of wisdom. And still dont have the mind to learn what prohibition tried to teach us.

    Yep we still have unteachable and very emotion driven hard headed people.
     
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    the war on drugs forced them to buy illegal drugs - I blame that on those that passed the immoral laws

    I think responsible use can be very beneficial to the mind and body

    excessive use can be bad for the body, just like the sun can be beneficial or harmful depending on the amount of exposure

    I do not want intoxicated people around me either, alcohol or drugs... that is called public intox - do it in your home or in a safe environment - drink or drug responsibly
     
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    Sorry, I don't agree that that's true. I see what you're saying though, and understand your side of the argument.
    Yes, it's true many comparisons can be drawn, but there are some differences.

    Anyway, maybe we can at least agree that it's closer to the category of alcohol and cigarettes than it is to other drugs.
     
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    One thing I want to point out, I think this thread was intended to be about Biden and not about the cannabis/marijuana debate.
     
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    Lots of things are bad and many of those things give pleasure . Which is why so many people like to do things some will exclaim are BAD.

    But intelligent people will accept hard facts. And move from there with law and policy. Which we have not done on this issue. Indeed we have created more problems that cost taxpayers trillions fighting human natute that dont change.

    Humans, a significant number will use intoxicants. You sir and others like you cannot stop it. But you can waste trillions fighting it by filling up prisons as you try to do the impossible. It is really insanity, repeating the same actions while expecting different results unless of course you know you cannot win that war and dont mind spending trillions just so these bastards get punished. Cause that makes some feel good and gratifies.

    The war on drugs is far more destructive than the drug use. Intelligence sees that but for some that is unacceptable. And this happens on other issues too. Where intelligence is not allowed to operate.
     
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    Stupid and ignorant people use drugs for recreation.

    Yes we di have hard headed unteachables. Most of them have doctorates.
     
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    Nope. That's not how it works.. something is illegal you don't do it... all the consequences fall on the user, not the law.
     
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    Maybe the question is how should society deal with individuals who want to be chronically intoxicated.

    It does and can lead to problems for everyone else.

    My idea is to establish some "island" or colony somewhere, where these people can go, live in freedom, and have their problems be away from the rest of society.

    Maybe let people indulge themselves, and then if an individual proves they can't be responsible with it, have government come in and micromanage their lives, and force them into a choice between quitting and drug rehab, or going to the island.

    Oh well, all this is really getting off-topic.
     
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    Fighting cartels is not a waste of money, the only problem is we didn't kill enough of them.. yes violence is the correct answer.
    Legalization is not an enlightened thought. It's corrupt.
     
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    And you sir cannot change that. No matter how many trillions you spend or how many prisons you build.

    You cannot have what you want Other people will not do what you want to force them to do.

    Wise people accept this imo. And knock it off!

    I did that a long time ago.
     
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    Giving people back a right is never bad. Personal sovereignty is a right others hate. Every drug available was once legal and bought cheaply at most stores. And for a long time and our society did not implode.

    The founders left using or not using up to free adults. Then we started listening to the idiots, the kind that gave us prohibition and enriching organized crime and later on violent drug cartels.

    Using your own thinking you helped to create the cartels along with the pot smokers. Your thinking made it profitable for them by keeping it illegal. Just as was seen in prohibition.
     
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    Wise people don't do drugs.

    You'll never guess where i spent last Saturday volunteering.

    Again. It's not a waste of money to kill off the cartels. I think it's a great investment in our future but we don't do near enough of it.

    Everyone involved in the production and sale cocaine, heroin meth and fentanyl is a murderer. And anyone involved with cartel based pot is a murderer.
     
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    Where do you draw the line? Should heroin be legal?
     
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    That's how i feel about every firearm.
    Prohibition of firearms will create a violent black market. All firearms should be legal.
     

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