Donald Trump's administration reverses US policy stance to support Israeli Jewish settlements on Wes

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  1. Bush Lawyer

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    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-19/us-back-jewish-settlements-israel-west-bank/11716424

    I am surprised there is no Thread on this.

    Well.........I disagree. Instead of allowing the State of Israel to steal land from its neighbour, the State of Israel ought to be relocated.....to Tasmania, Australia.

    Win, all round.
     
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    Who cares what international law says, it's all bullshit and can be ignored at will.

    If you don't want Israel to do this then do something about it. Invade, send in forces to prevent them from doing it.

    Declaring it illegal does sweet f all.
     
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    Yes. However, declaring it legal encourages the rapacious warmongering State of Israel. It should be moved to more accommodating pastures.....in Tasmania where it will be welcome, need not be hostile, and where the neighbours are all very friendly.
     
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    People still care about this stuff? The Arab world can barely be bothered to pretend it cares anymore. Syria is a ruin, Russia is over extended and Iran is even more over extended. The Palestinians are out of friends who matter for the moment. They are still a trophy minority for Western lefties, but that is more a wank than a serious policy position.

    The Palestinians have had numerous chances at statehood and blown them all. If they ever get another it will not be as generous.
     
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    I still care about this expansionism by the State of Israel. It destabilises the ME. I want it moved out of there. That State does not belong there. In fact, it belongs nowhere, but Tasmania/Australia would welcome it, given all the financial, military etc assistance it gets from the USA, and its intrinsic value.
     
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    I assume this is some bizarre attempt at humour, because that is the only explanation for something so completely & utterly divorced from fact & reality.
     
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    Nope. Not a bizarre attempt at humour. I mean it. The State of Israel was a creation of the West after WW2. A grave mistake was made. It is in the entirely wrong spot. Way back then, Tasmania was a discussed option and discarded. I want the State of Israel moved for the sake of World peace. It is a serious threat to World peace where it is.
     
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    Oh dear. OK, no point wasting time & effort on this. Fortunately you are as wrong about the future as you are about the past & present. Your little ethnic cleansing fantasy will never come to pass and the Middle East will continue to have the one decently run democratic state.
     
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    I suspect all the people getting killed over it cared. All the people who were forced out of their homes and all the people who now face the prospect of being forced out of their homes probably care too.
     
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    With that, our beloved Donald spits again in the face of the international community.
    It's high time that the presidency of this "fine gentleman" comes to an end!
     
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    This is just another example of the fight in the West to change Western ideology to the far right. They all support Israel. It is the fact that the US can get away with this that people should be noting. Things will get worse and worse. Of course although the far right love Israel. part of that love is their image of seeing all their Jews in Israel as they work for there shared dream of ethnic Nationalist states. If Trump does not get reelected, I suspect Israel will not be doing so well in her Colonial project.
     
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    Well most of it was created after WW2 when it was noticed human beings had a tendency to kill tens of millions of human beings and it was believed the world would be a better place if we stopped doing this.

    You are right though about some countries being able to ignore at will. Hopefully the UN will make some changes to make it more democratic and to have the necessary bite..
     
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    Basically what we are seeing is Trump's inability to get his Deal of the Century accepted despite all the bribes and threats has resulted in him bit by bit just putting it in in practice.

    I know when they were trying to get Jordan to sign up for the deal, the people were very concerned that one of the unwritten parts was the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians into Jordan. They have responded to Trump's action.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...settlement-decision-is-entrenching-occupation

    Israel too has reacted

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...li-calls-for-takeover-palestinian-territories
     
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    I support Israel's rapacious warmongering ways... their neighbors deserve nothing better...
     
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    Nah! Mate! Apparently Israel has some real issues with inbreeding and Tasmania.........hmmm see what you mean :p
     
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    Why do you say that? Palestinians have lived in the region for 2500 years. They've had their homes forcibly taken away by Israel, to make way for illegal settlements. They've lived in Israel as 3rd class citizens, with limited rights. If you or I lived lives experiencing such hardship, we'd both probably share a world view similar to that of the Palestinians. There are times when environment can be stronger than will. There are times when environment can & does shape personality & behavior.

    We need peace in the region, but NOT peace imposed by one side over the other. We need peace that encompasses & works for everyone living there.
     
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    Peace imposed by one side or the other is the closest we'll ever have in the region.
    Keeping in mind Palestinians living in Israel have far better lives than those living under Hamas..
    Israel is a legal state like it or not, they are the freest most stable government in the region. They have been under constant unprovoked attack since the state was created.. of the Iranian would end their proxy wars in the region it would go a long ways towards peace.

    Apart from that.. cover the dome with pork fat...
     
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    What Trump is doing has no legality. He is just telling the Israelis that they can do whatever they want as he needs his money for the 2020 Election - that is both Christian Zionist and extreme Right Jewish Donations.

    That is all this is about. He is telling Israel it can do what it wants with the Palestinians. He does not care. Have a ball.

    If Trump does not win 2020 the Democrats will almost certainly come down hard on Israel and none of Trumps moves have any legality.. ....or ......................
     
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    I don't disagree with much of your post, but I still harbor hope for a two-state solution. Otherwise, peace will never happen. Any one-sided solution will only result in the losing side constantly attacking the other as opportunities present themselves, on a never ending basis. I know it's a region of extremes, & a region of bitter hatreds that span millennia. True solutions are evasive, & lie close to the dictionary definition of "impossible." My hope hangs on a thin thread. The odds are against me. Yet, I hope.
     
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    Tsar Nicholas II gave the Jews a country in Eastern Russia, and it is still their land as well as part of the Russian Federation, but they don't want to live there. They want to live in Israel the same as the Arabs and Turks did. If it wasn't so, they wouldn't have taken over the Byzantine Empire - and been kicking out the Christians since.

    Regardless of what Israel does, (and believe me it's bad), the problems really comes down to one thing, and that's the belief Islam has that it must triumph politically and territorially over all other faiths. If they don't, then Islam is being humiliated.

    If this was not the case, then Israel could be disarmed very easily by saying they have a right to exist as a Jewish state. That way all the killings would stop, since any former claims the Arabs had to Palestine would become as nil and void as those of the former Christian inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire - who happened to have been kicked out of the Near and Middle East by Arabs and Turks for over 1,000 years.



    *PEACE*
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    Will It Ever Be?

     
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    There is a humorous side to this, and that's Erdogan saying the US doesn't respect international law. Mind you Turkey not only grabbed half of Cyprus for its 11% populations, and imported Turks from the mainland, but it is now claiming islands and territorial waters in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean.

    Turkey demands that foreign nations ask their permission and not Greek and Cypriot permission to fly in their airspace, and to search for oil in Cypriot and Greek waters. In the mean time it's searching for oil itself illegally, and stopping foreign companies from searching for oil in territories that have been designated to them.

    Of course Greece is not taking it lightly. There was a hot incident yesterday.
     
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    Using force to steal the property of another, often without compensation, & often involving violence, is no victory. It's simply setting the stage for decades of continual conflict. Where are the "spoils" in that?
     
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    Worse things happen in places I actually care about. Dozens of them.

    The Arab world has stopped pretending to care about Palestinians, which just leaves a bunch of Muslims whose interest in their 'Muslim brothers' seems dictated by the ethnicity & religion of their alleged persecutors, and a few white folks who have trained themselves to overlook vastly worse things while busily denouncing Israel.

    Not company I care to keep.
     
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