The Difference Between Obama and Trump.

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is far more information.

    Sorry but most did not show up

    https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/yes-states-can-nullify-some-federal-laws-not-all
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Funny how holding the World accountable as to their dealings with America makes one "inept" or a "bumbling idiot" in the eyes of the globalist. One look at America today and how it's citizens are faring across the board will expose your partisan judgement. Sure, you like to still say he is "played by our adversaries" as a reference to the "Russian Collusion" story. President Trump has done far more to hold Russia accountable than all previous Presidents. He gave the Ukrainians Javelins while Obama only gave them blankets!
     
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    Neither were overturned by the Supreme Court. Fred Scott was nullified by the 14th amendment.
     
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    Did you have anything relevant to post?
     
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    Plessy vs Ferguson was overturned by Brown vs Board of Education.
     
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    No it wasn’t.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plessy_v._Ferguson#Significance
     
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    Plessy vs Ferguson establish the notion of separate but equal Brown immediately ended it. It may not have categorically said Plessy is no more but that was its effect. The 64 civil rights act did nothing more than establish the idea that one did not have to be African-American to be oppressed and add penalties for violating Brown.
     
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    Obama never did anything like this.

    Russia could have monitored Trump's call with Sondland, State Dept. official testified
    https://www.politico.com/news/2019/...ion-ukraine-impeachment-sondland-trump-071433

    President Donald Trump's call to the cell phone of a U.S. ambassador — a call that included a discussion of "investigations" Trump was asking Ukraine to launch into his Democratic rivals — was at risk of being monitored by Russia, a State Department official told House impeachment investigators.

    David Holmes was in a restaurant in Kyiv with U.S. Ambassador Gordon Sondland on July 26, when Sondland called Trump to discuss the probes. Holmes told members of the House Intelligence Committee that he "vividly" recalled the conversation because Trump's voice was so loud and discernible, and the two spoke so openly about the investigations.
     
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    The difference is that Obama at least appeared to be a decent human being. Trump just is not, he is only nasty.
     
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    None of this changes the fact that neither case you cited was overturned by the Supreme Court.

    this is settled law and will take an amendment to change. Anyone born on US soil is a citizen, unless their parents are diplomats with immunity. The immigration status of the parents is entirely irrelevant.
     
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    Your wrong of course. There is no such thing as settled law. All it takes is one smart lawyer and a client with a lot of money to undo a Supreme Court. Like it or not Roe while not yet over turned has certainly been rolled back substantially since 1973.
     
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    Any one with the relevant tech could monitor any phone call anywhere.
     
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    Essentially Obama was an incompetent puppet that spoke wheel well when he had his speeches written for him.

    Donald Trump doesn't give a **** about how well-spoken the phoney academics think he is. With more experience than Obama had life.
     
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    Suppose what you write is correct...
    Never the less, more than 35% of voters unflinchingly support trump... even if he shoots someone on 5th Avenue. That is not a small number to support the person that you describe trump to be.

    let’s look at that for a moment. In a very simple way trumps support can be divided among evangelicals (a large number) and non evangelicals

    the evangelicals are interesting since one does not need close examination to figure out that Donald trump is only vaguely religious... at best. So I gotta think that the evangelical vote is not so much a religious resonance.... as a clear rejection of any alternative who would not pander to this group as trump does. So in some ways, the evangelical vote is a negative vote.... a vote against the alternative.

    ok, how about the non evangelical portion of trumps support.
    This support does not seem to be absolutely rooted in any particular policy.... I think trump could sell them on pretty much any policy that he chose to pursue. After all... these are people who said character is important;, deficits are a critical issue, that dictators and the Soviet Union must be opposed;, that there could be no negotiation with North Korea;That we should never give in to threats; free trade.. trump has abandoned almost all of what had been proposed to be the core values of conservative ideology.

    so what is left that unites these non evangelical trump supporters. Again I would propose that the6 are united by fundamentally negative factors.... anti Obama, anti gay, anti immigrant, anti;liberal, anti gun grabber, anti pc, anti atheist, anti welfare, anti regulation, anti disrespectful and flaccid allies.

    basically, it is people who are very irritated about the new ways our country has gone, and who really like that trump gives an unapologetic voice to their contempt
     
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    uh, yes there is.

    Already refuted this. No lower court can even address an issue that has been ruled on by the Supreme Court. Their ruling is binding precedent.

    No it hasn’t.
     
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    You really don't know what you are talking about here do you. Roe has gone from being essentially abortion on demand to having a whole crap load of restriction varying by state. There have been dozens of abortion cases come before Scotus sense Roe.
     
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    may I have seen something from slate.... but I also do not know who they are.... and never intentionally get stuff from them.., and never recall quoting them....ever
     
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    like the tingle you get when you hear Mexico will build a wall for us?
     
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    I’ve thoroughly disproven every claim you’ve made. Lol

    No state can prohibit abortions, which is what roe addressed.

    it remains settled law that any child born on Us soil is a citizen, u less their parents are diplomats. If you want to change that the only way to do so is via a new amendment. This is basic 6th grade civics.
     
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    You have disproven nothing. I expect that within a decade Roe will be gone and the states will once again have a free hand to deal with abortion as they see fit.
     
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    Thanks God today we cannot check the brain and see if someone loves or hate America and Americans, we can only guess. Judging President Trump behavior I guess President Trump loves himself and love to milk America and Americans.
     
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    So this is just a Trump thing in your mind :) Every foreign manufacturer has their dicks deep in Americans.. Got news for ya, it aint Just a Trump or an American thing!
     
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    Haha, not like that at all. When Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall, I was amused - that's about it.
     
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    every claim you’ve made I’ve proven wrong.

    While it is certainly possible that an amendment could be passed, it is highly unlikely. And as I’ve shown you, that’s the only way for can be overturned.
     

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