No testimony from whistle blower

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    The non-partisan and career officials who complained - in real time - about the phone call and the shadow diplomatic effort by Trump are the "police" in this analogy.
     
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    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Do you notice how every reputable news agency, when reporting on the allegations, almost always - to a t - include the disclaimer, "there is no evidence that Joe or Hunter Biden did anything wrong?"

    That should give you pause in continuing down this path of accusing them of wrongdoing.
     
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    To your last point, that was the most significant amendment made to Volker's testimony in my opinion. He essentially said that in retrospect, he should have realized that the request to investigate Burisma was and is tantamount to investigating the Bidens. Adam Schiff also spent a significant portion of his closing statement re-iterating that correction.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then you haven't been paying attention.
    Better than me doing it, the US President wants it done but is being thwarted by Congress and, rather than investigate what Biden is admitting to on a video tape, they're wanting to impeach Trump even for suggesting such a thing. They take it a step further by calling Biden 'a political' rival' when in fact he is as of now a political rival only of several other political candidates in the Democratic Party.
    Trump is not asking for campaign assistance but instead wants corruption in the Ukraine investigated, and of which Joe Biden clearly formed a part.
    Again, Joe Biden is not a 'domestic political rival'. He is one of 20 or so candidates wanting the Presidential nomination for the Democratic Party..They are his 'political rivals, you may even have seen them debating on TV.
    Of course he held up millions in aid until he felt certain that the new President was not as corrupt as his predecessor. He was being responsible with American taxpayer money, as was testified to, while the previous administration being less so, despite their leadership being notoriously corrupt and had already stolen millions in US aid. This was all done under the nose of Sleazy Joe Biden, btw.
     
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    Funny post after 3 years of investigations based on conspiracy theories.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So corruption in the Ukraine should not be investigated before sending them any aid? That sounds much like the Obama policy with Iran.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    By \evey reputable news agency' are you referring to CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, etc? Infamously known as the MSM?
    This should give you pause. https://dailycitizen.focusonthefamily.com/americans-trust-in-the-mainstream-media-continues-to-fall/
     
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    Total failure on Dems part! Game over!!
     
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    Trump can also be called to testify.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    No evidence if you don't include that quaint little video where Joe proudly confessed to wrong doing. This naturally would not count for the "reputable" (whatever that means) news agencies.
     
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    Oh I get it! The footage I watched of Joe Biden bragging about how he got the Ukraine prosecutor fired was fake. And I guess the claim that Hunter Biden (who does not not Jack SH*T about energy was put on a Natural Gas Board of Directors) by Ukraine was fake. Just like him going to China with Sleepy Joe and getting something like 1.5 Billion for his new venture Capital Company was fake. Yep. Hunter Biden makes big money because he is a brilliant man.

    Maybe you should look up the definition of the word "shakedown."

    Now a shakedown may not be a crime. But it is not exactly something to applaud when it involves other countries paying money to influence US policy. And participating in a shakedown certainly disqualifies Sleepy Joe as a candidate for President.
     
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    No, he cannot.
     
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    Why in the world do you think a 2 year old video, a confession of wrong doing in your mind, has not resulted in an investigation or an indictment?
     
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    No, that video was not fake. It was just not evidence of wrong doing.

    Hunter Biden was hired to the board because of his legal expertise and experience. But if you think it creates an appearance of a conflict of interest, you are correct. If you think it is a crime, then you should know that every individual and organization which has reviewed that allegation has found zero evidence of wrongdoing.
     
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    I don't have a clue. Though Trump has hinted that an investigation might be appropriate, and he's getting impeached for it.
     
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    "Hinted?" Hahaha...Sondland is testifying, at the moment, that it was a quid pro quo.
     
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    Sure he can. Clinton was called to testify.
     
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    Maybe he wanted to testify. That is as someone noted for being "slick." And who will ever forget "it depends on what the meaning of is is."

     
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    Then the majority of the people must be right wingers, which is not possible. If they are the majority they are in the middle.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then that answers MrTLegal's question of "Why in the world do you think a 2 year old video, a confession of wrong doing in your mind, has not resulted in an investigation or an indictment?"

    Because to do so leads to an impeachment inquiry.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you convinced that what the President did was worse than what Biden did?
    Really? Where did he get that experience, how were his qualifications superior, and what were his contributions to Burisma.?
    Which individuals and organizations investigated the Biden 's association with Burisma and the relation to the release of foreign aid to the Ukraine?
     
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    The Whistle Blower blew the conspiracy apart and his/her complaint was deemed "credible and urgent" by two Trump appointees, the Intelligence IG and the Director of National Intelligence. His/her complaint has been corroborated by numerous witnesses to date, the latest being Presidential appointee Gordon Sundland, this morning.
     
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    Certainly, the video has been available to the general public for sometime. Republicans control the Senate. Which Republican Senator has called for an investigation of VP Biden? Is DoJ/FBI investigating Biden? Where is AG Barr? Biden never actually withheld aid. Consistent with U.S. policy, he threatened to withhold aid if the pro-Russian Ukrainian prosecutor was not fired. Both the Ukrainian President and Parliament subsequently fired him. Biden claimed it was due to him...but he was acting only as an implement of official U.S. foreign policy. Trump was not. Trump was running a back-channel, via Rudy, that was in direct opposition to the conclusions of the Trump administration, namely that the Russians were behind the hacking of the DNC and Clinton campaign e-mails.
     
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    False. Most Americans are independents or liberals (i.e., not right-wingers).
     

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