Why did nobody tell Trump that it would be a bad idea to get Ukraine to investigate Biden?

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  1. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    Why did nobody tell Trump that it would be a bad idea to get Ukraine to investigate Biden?

    I don't get it. People like Mulvaney or Pompeo must have known that this could lead to impeachment. Are they too afraid of Trump to speak up? Are they yes men?

    My guess: if Kelly was still chief of staff and Tillerson was still secretary of state, this would have not happened, and they would have told Trump just how terrible this idea was. That's what you get when you hire yes men into your cabinet, instead of respectable people who do the right thing, whether the boss likes it or not.
     
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    Maybe they told him it was a bad idea but he did it anyway.
     
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    Democrats give Democrats total passes for pay to play.

    If you're parents are powerful Democrats like John Kerry, Joe Biden, or Nancy Pelosi, there is a good chance you'll end up in the Ukrainian or China on some board collecting bribes.
     
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    Off topic.
    Why do you believe no one told Trump his pursuits were ill advised? Maybe they thought it was a swell idea?
     
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    I personally believe it was either fear, or lack of respect (think toilet paper on a shoe).
     
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    It is because of the TIARA belief that trump holds
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    He is the aircraft captain that crashed the plane because the first officer did not or could not make him believe there was fracking great mountain just in front
     
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    I don't think it is a bad idea. I think the dims have no choice but to have this dog and pony show so that the investigation does not happen. It amazes me that asking for an investigation into possible corruption is worse than strong arming the stopping of an investigation into corruption that you son is possibly involved in. If nothing illegal or corrupt happened like Biden said there will be no dirt to dig up and will only help you in your standing.
     
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    Too bad that bad ideas aren't impeachable.
     
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    Can you cite a reputable source claiming that Biden strong armed the Ukraine into stopping investigations into Burisma? Reputable sources in this instance would be any news outlet not exceeding a right of center political bias.
     
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    Many of them are. We’ll find out if this one was.
     
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    All the rest are so far left of center that they are fake news.
     
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    So far the answer is a resounding no
     
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    The Democrats opinion is that Trump was looking to get dirt on Biden. The fact is that Trump wanted an investigation in 2016 / Biden

    The Republicans opinion is that Trump wanted to root out corruption. Which can you prove? Doesn't prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Personally, if there is potential corruption occurring at any form of our government, I'd like to know about it, irregardless of who is investigating who. It's a minority, sane opinion, but we are no longer in a sane political climate.
     
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    Trump tries to get foreign country to investigate political opponent. Trump fan: It's the democrat's fault. In which world does that make sense?
     
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    Of course, I can't believe the entire media has unanimously declared that something Utterly Devastating For Trump has happened. This is totally unprecedented...
     
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    I want to know about corruption too, but if the investigation involves Trump's political opponent and a foreign country, he'd have to recuse himself. It's the law.

    But, maybe you can comment on the OP, namely why nobody told him to not do it, or if this had happened if Kelly was still Chief of Staff?
     
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    Yes there is good chance you will get some cushy deal that would mean you can line your own pockets
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    When you say "lead to impeachment", I am assuming that you mean impeachment in the house and acquittal in the Senate which is clearly where this is going. Some people hear the word impeachment and assume that it means removal from office. For Trump, the former is a huge boost for his re-election chances, and the latter would obviously have him out of office. You are acting as if this entire circus is bad for Trump, but in the overwhelmingly likely scenario where he is impeached by the house and acquitted in the Senate, this whole fiasco helps him get re-elected and severely damages the democrats chances of retaining the house. In all sincerity, how are you rationalizing that this is a bad thing for Trump or his agenda?

    With that as the backdrop, I would say that impeachment by the house was mostly a foregone conclusion regardless. There are too many disparate factions within the Democrat base that have been insisting on impeachment, and while Nancy Pelosi knows full well the above realities, she knew she could no longer hold onto power within the Democrat Party without moving forward with impeachment. The hope was certainly that the Mueller report would be the vehicle with which to move forward, but when that fizzled, they desperately jumped at anything they could and this was as good of an opportunity as anything else for them to tightly clutch their pearls and act as if this were a big deal in a desperate attempt to garner enough public support that he actually would be removed from office. If this issue never existed, you can rest assured that something else would have been manufactured.They are failing in the attempt to have him removed, and if you think that they are on the verge of succeeding at that endeavor, you need to step back from the liberal news media echo chamber. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. It will not even be close. If I am wrong and it does lead to his removal, I will most certainly owe you an apology and an acknowledgment that I was wrong. If you are insisting that he will be removed and he is not, then you will in turn have to acknowledge that my analysis was spot on, and that all of this is a huge boost for Trump being re-elected and the odds of Democrats losing the House. There really isnt a gray area. The answer will come in the form of whether or not he is removed from office. Democrats are throwing a hail mary pass, and anything short of removal is a devastating loss for them.

    In a lot of ways, this is perhaps the best thing that ever could have happened for his re-election chances and pushing forward his agenda.
     
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    This is false. There is no law which states investigations cannot be conducted on political rivals. This premise is nonsensical, for obvious reasons.

    See first statement of this post.
     
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    There are plenty of news sources that are rated to hold a center left or right bias. NPR and BBC are two right off the top of my head.
    Edited to add the Associated Press to that list.
     
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    So far no answer has been provided. The fact you think there has been is very telling.
     
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    trump strikes me as the sort of boss who does not like his employees to disagree with him.

    Also, I think everyone has pretty much accepted that trump is the sort of person will do what ever is in his perceived self interest. As such...concerns about ethics or laws or rules, or accepted standards of behavior are devalued as long as you think that you can get away with a particular activity. And... if your boss is the sort of person who demands absolute loyalty; the sort of person who requires you to sign a legal contract never to disclose anything related to your employment; the sort of person who feels he could shoot someone in public without consequence; the sort of person who feels that his position renders him immune to all prosecution..... if your boss is that sort of person, it would be a fools errand to tell that guy that he really ought not to do something that he really wants, and feels entitled to do.
     
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    though slightly better both of those are still very far left
     
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    Jeez man, where have you been? I heard the tape of Biden bragging about it at a campaign rally! The democrats know this, but along with their lap dogs in the news media that provide them with political cover, they will always ignore corruption in their own camp!
     
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    It’s the American way.
     
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