List of Trump Administrations Anti-Transgender and Anti-LGBTQ Actions

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by clarkeT, Sep 6, 2019.

  1. clarkeT

    clarkeT Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2016
    Messages:
    949
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Bowerbird likes this.
  2. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    41,825
    Likes Received:
    32,493
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    But he held a flag so everything is cool :pride:
     
    Pants and Bowerbird like this.
  3. clarkeT

    clarkeT Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2016
    Messages:
    949
    Likes Received:
    467
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Bowerbird likes this.
  4. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,251
    Likes Received:
    18,015
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well I was reading through the list and most of it was the department of such and such.

    The first one I saw that Trump really had any role in was disagreeing with HR 5. And I disagree with HR 5.

    I should be able to discriminate based on gender identity. If your gender identity is that of a house cat then I can't hire you because you're mentally unstable. That being said if you identify as male or female but you're not one of those that's fine if you want to identify as some unicorn leprechaun gender no. So the resolution needs to be modified.
     
  5. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2016
    Messages:
    12,203
    Likes Received:
    8,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Its true. Trump is very anti children in drag dancing for gay men at a gay bar.

    He's also not a fan of praised gay leaders who have sex with underage children.

    And of course one of his most egregious crimes is being against convicted pedophiles and prostitutes dressing in drag reading to children as young as 4 years old.

    Very Anti-LGBT for sure.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  6. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,839
    Likes Received:
    4,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So he only wants children dancing for straight men in bars, straight leaders having sex with children and paedophiles and prostitutes reading to children in conventional clothes?
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  7. william kurps

    william kurps Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2019
    Messages:
    5,041
    Likes Received:
    1,872
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Huh?
     
    guavaball likes this.
  8. guavaball

    guavaball Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2016
    Messages:
    12,203
    Likes Received:
    8,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Which he never said.

    Please, if you have evidence of anything you are claiming as I do, produce it. Otherwise simply making things up to run interference for what actual gay publications and leaders have said about child sex isn't helping your case.
     
  9. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,839
    Likes Received:
    4,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I was obviously being sarcastic. The point is that these are child abuse issues rather than LGBT issues (where they’re issues at all) and the spin over the latter actually risks overshadowing the former.
     
    Pants likes this.
  10. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't say that all LGBT are like that, but at least a part of the LGBT lobby seems to take quite a disturbing direction really. "Amazing" desmond is probably the best example of that. Young children transitionning is another example of that.

    Considering that kind of issues, I tend to be liberal (in the classical sense, which advocate for freedom, not the nowodays lunatic censor) so if gay people want to do their gay things go on, if a dude feel like a girl and want to dress like a girl, I think he should have the right to do it. I think that people have the right to not be assaulted, so I don't think that gay or transexual have the right to not be assaulted as alphabet people but simply as people.
    Furthermore, the LGBT lobby want to controle education through all their gender spectrum indoctrination that I perceive at the same level than religious fundamentalism indoctrination. We could also talk of the crime of "misgendering" people.

    Since rather a recent time, I perceive the LGBT lobby as a threat to freedom. I'm still for the right of gay people to marry. I'm also for the right for people to not work with a specific sex and the right for companies to not hire people who don't want to work with a specific gender.

    A part of those anti lgbt actions could seen as pro freedom actions.
     
  11. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,839
    Likes Received:
    4,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The “amazing desmond” is a drag act and has nothing to do with LGBT. There are valid questions about a young child performing a drag act but it belongs in the same category as all those children’s “beauty pageants” which are occasionally commented on but apparently not stopped.

    “Young children transitioning” primarily sounds like a topic for those individual young children and their families. There are general child welfare considerations, as there is with anything else, but I don’t see it related to any LGBT lobby than it is to any anti-LGBT lobby.

    All that said, I’d argue there is no such thing as the LGBT lobby, just as there is no the religious lobby, the gun lobby or the business lobby. Loads of people express opinions on topics, often ones they’re linked to or involve with in some reason, but they’re generally only expressing their own opinion or, at most, that of a singular specific organisation. I doubt you could find one thing everyone identified as part of any one of those generic lobbies all unconditionally agree on.

    Like in some many other things, it’s easier to lump people you disagree with in to singular simplistic groupings so you don’t have to deal with the complexities of specific arguments and so you can attack them all on the words or actions of the worst of them. That’s essentially what the poster I was responding to was doing (again) and that’s what I was specifically challenging in my response.

    What about the right not to work with a specific race or religion? Most campaigns for LGBT rights are just about getting to the same level as everyone else. You’re free to suggest achieving that by shifting things in the opposite direction and allow everyone to be discriminated against but I think we both know you’d face a whole load more push-back on that. :cool:
     
    clarkeT likes this.
  12. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @HonestJoe I'm against beauty pageant for children or people who expose too much their children on youtube also. Yes, "amazing" desmond has to do with the LGBTQ culture. The fact that AD was walking in gay prides should be a clue. There is a reason why they tend more and more to add Q for "Queer" now. There is not yet much to argue more if you want to deny it's related.

    Race is different. Considering religion, you can keep it for yourself. I'm for the right of companies to not hire someone of his religion convictions are against the rules of the companies. For instance, if your religion force you to dress in a specific way.
    There is obvious reasons why men wouldn't want to work with women and the opposite is true aswell. I'm for that freedom but it's not the topic there.
     
  13. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,839
    Likes Received:
    4,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He might be specifically but the questions about sexualisation of children isn’t. My point is that there are lots of examples but only the one perceived as "gay" has triggered such a specific and as powerful a response.

    Why should race be different? If you’re arguing for freedom, shouldn’t the right to discriminate apply regardless of the reason?

    I’ll continue to look out for the campaign to amend the US constitution to permit religious discrimination alongside all the other kind of discrimination you’re looking to permit.

    Yes, that reason is bigotry. The vast majority of people are willing and able to work with the opposite sex so wouldn’t it be easier to just kick out the tiny minority of unreformed bigots instead? We wouldn’t even have to change the law that way.
     
  14. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @HonestJoe You don't choose what you're born. Religion, things like LGBT are personnal choices.

    About working with women/men, women may be afraid to be sexually abused by men, men may be afraid of false accusation, and none of them may want to work with people they could be sexually attracted to.
    Not saying that it's what I do or desire, but I think that people should have the freedom to do that, as long their company allow that.
     
  15. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    Messages:
    14,839
    Likes Received:
    4,814
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sexual orientation is not a choice. Religious practice is though the underlying beliefs aren’t. Gender obviously isn’t a choice either.

    Regardless, I thought you were making a freedom argument so again, why would it matter why a person is choosing to discriminate on that basis?

    Sure, but it’s entirely irrational to avoid half the population on that basis. Gender-based discrimination is not the solution to those issues and so it would be totally irrational for the government to legalise it on that basis.
     
    cd8ed likes this.
  16. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    6,163
    Likes Received:
    3,096
    Trophy Points:
    113
    @HonestJoe I think that you are free to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt people and to associate with which people you want.

    You want to be a heterosexual christian and associate only with heterosexual christian ? Go on. You want to associate only with transgender muslims ? Go on again.
     

Share This Page