Vindman just lied under oath…

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  1. MrTLegal

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    Yes. Seriously.
     
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    Nothing in yesterdays hearings was negative to Trump or the republicans but that's is not what the headlines say..

    Now they are saying that Sondland's testimony is being explosive.. so far? a nothing burger but i am still on his opening statement.
     
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    That is a real **** criticism. You don't get to just hand wave multiple articles which provide explicit proof and reasoning to back up their headlines as "nothing."

    Be more specific.
     
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    first on the list from google, one among many!

    there is nothing wrong with Trump wanting Ukraine to investigate Biden as it relates to Interference in the 2016 election and Burisma.. nothing wrong with that at all.
    it would be wrong for him to ask for help digging up dirt for the purpose of using it in 2020.. and that did not occur...

    the worst thing Trump has done here is not trusting his ambassadorial staff and sent Giuliani there to mix things up..


    Tuesday’s impeachment hearings were a disaster for Republicans

     
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    This is a dog and pony show trial, as lacking in substance as Mueller except even more boring and sad.
     
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    it is amazing how easily the Republicans totally destroy every point that the democrats attempt to make
     
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    Its because they seek to do it by going around the American voter.

    Thats why they are so mad about the Supreme court going conservative-they have lost a way to legislate from the bench.

    Even in this shampeachment dems talk about how they don't want the voters to decide.
     
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    well when Trump wins in 2020 the dems aren't gonna like it because RBG will not make it another 4 years. another conservative life appointment great for the real America
     
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    Indeed. Its a protective factor for America because any crazy laws they pass will be challenged and overturned.

    Dems know this which is why they are so worried.
     
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    You will be disappointed.
     
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    Apparently you do not have any proof that the investigation is failing. The proof will be if the investigation has an effect. I will wait until then.
     
  14. US Conservative

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    He seems like a ruskie.

    Decide accordingly.
     
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    The person who Vindman reported to had a great assessment of his job performance. So does Morrison appears to have some other agenda in order to say bad things about Vindman.

    So are you trashing Vindman because you do not like the fact that he did his duty? Are you trashing Vindman because of some perceived partisan position? Are you trashing Vindman because he was not born here but came here as a toddler?
     
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    Who seems like a "Ruskin"?
     
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    I said Ruskie.

    The commie you are defending.
     
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    I do not defend commies. Name the "Commie" who you are accusing me of defending.
     
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    Vindman guy.

    A nuke may have went off just now.
     
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    I hope that you are joking! Do you know his background and under what conditions his father brought him and his brother to the US? I bet you don't or do you and are ignoring.

    Are you aware that Vindman 's family came here under the
    Refusenik program ? Do you know what a Refusenik is? Resuseniks were Soviet Jews who the Soviets ( Russians) finally in 1967 -1982 opened up the right for Soviet Jews to emigrate out of the USSR. They came to the US and Israel.

    Vindman was 3 years old when his father brought him here. Virtually the same age as I was when my parents brought me here. So since you apparently think that Vindman is a "Commie" are you going to accuse me of being a Nazi because I was born in Germany?

    Vindman like I did came here as Toddlers. He served and still is serving his country in the military. I assure you they Vindman is no more a communist than I am a Nazi.

    I hope that you are joking because I have a lot of respect for you as a posting member here.
     
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    So far all they have are assumptions, two people directly associated with Trump quoting he wanted nothing, and aid released for nothing in return.
     
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    Read Morrison’s transcript.
     
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    There you have it folks.

    The left-wingers know that Trump didn't commit an impeachable offense. They just want this impeachment inquisition to hurt Trump's chances of being re-elected. It's purely political to them. They just can't stand that Trump beat them in 2016.
     
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    :roflol:

    "Politics IS "Political"?

    ^Wow! What a STARTLING Revelation. :bored:

    PS--No Worries.

    Trump could commit a Capital Felony on Live TV and still get acquitted by the GOP Senate.:flagus:
     
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    Not exactly.

    I think if anything, you and your conservative buddies are reading it the wrong way.

    Vindman says he doesn't know who the whistleblower is on Oct 29th. That doesn't mean he doesn't KNOW the whistleblower or worked with them or is best friends with them, that just means he doesn't know who made the complaint. So while he may know who the whistleblower is, he doesn't know they are the whistleblower.

    So when he's answering in Congress and naming the two people, he's clearly about to give away something that either could be used to identify the whistleblower or name the whistleblower outright. Schiff probably knows as does Nunes. I doubt either are actually in the dark as to the whistleblower's identify. In fact, their positions almost require they do know who it is. Nunes wants it out there without blatantly putting it out there and Schiff does not. So Nunes pushes a line of questioning he knows could incidentally identify the individual. And Schiff stops him. Nunes has to appear he's protecting the whistleblower as openly doing the opposite will undercut the benefits of getting their name out in the public domain.

    I don't think Vindman lied under oath. Furthermore, there is nothing to say that being under oath can compel someone to violate whistleblower protections near as I can tell. I'm no lawyer however. But if Vindman did lie under oath, then charge him with perjury. Of course that doesn't change the reality that your buddy Trump wanted the Ukrainians to announce they were investigating his political opponent, it just means Vindman may have lied under oath to protect the identity of the whistleblower. HIS potential wrong doesn't make Trump's wrong right. Claiming so is just a huge lack of ethics. So if that's the ground you want to stand on, go for it. And you can whine about Biden and Clinton all you want, but we aren't in public impeachment hearings about either of them, are we?
     

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