Can We Secure Our Borders Now?

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  1. Thought Criminal

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    So what you are saying is that all IMMIGRANTS are violent Russians??

    How can you be so full of racist hatred??


    Sarcasm of course..
     
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    Who is responsible for our open southern border and illegal aliens -- Congress. Trump is trying to control our border but congress is fully against him on the issue.
     
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    Nope 45-50% of the citizenry want open borders, either for humanitarian reason, financial gain or political ambitions.
     
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    It is against federal law to allow the immigration of people likely to become state dependent within 2 years..

    We are ruled by law not public opinion.
     
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    I say in private of the same 45-50% probably only 10% really want open borders. Asked in a public poll the average person will want to sound like a humanitarian.
     
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    Obama had the best record on border control of any President since the 1960s. Why did Trump disable the Obama success & replace it with his own brand of ineptitude?
     
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    I'm a liberal Democrat, & I personally know or am acquainted with NO ONE who wants completely open borders. There may be an occasional isolated individual who espouses such a policy, but they are smaller than a tiny minority. I DO support a more humane way of treating border aliens though. Kindness will always be a better way of dealing with illegal aliens than severity or violence.
     
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    Unfortunately, kindness will not stop them from coming, it will not stop them from attempting to defeat whatever measures are put in place to stop them. It will not end or diminish the trafficking or human smuggling industry,

    Are you willing to build the infrastructure needed and supply for their care indefinitely to support these individuals? Do you agree that would only attract them to these facilities in greater numbers?

    Successful persons within the Mexican and central American countries are not attempting to cross the southern border illegally. It is the persons who have had no success in their home country and their home country does not provide for them that attracts them to the border.

    So what is your solution to end our uncontrolled southern border?
     
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    Trump can't put up a contiguous wall it is not feasible and the DOD has informed him and there is nothing he can do. There are border guards. One nation can do only so much..
     
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    umm for the national good sanctuary cities could help ice round up people who don't belong here so they can be deported.
     
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    There is plenty we can do, and a physical barrier is only one small part.

    Remove the allure... the reasons they come. Make knowingly hiring an illegal VERY illegal, as in heavy, painful fines, seizure of assets or closure of the business. And, for the record, it's not just the southern border at issue, it's people from foreign nations that over stay their Visas, or cross from the northern border.

    Pursue an illegal for identity theft, as a felony, not a misdemeanor. Illegally crossing the border should be a felony. No more 'born here instant citizen' if the parents are here illegally. Emergency humanitarian medical aid only, and then returned to the country of origin.

    Those who are here legally, who have followed the appropriate steps to citizenship, are welcome.
     
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    Thanks for the laughs but Congress has another motive for illegals, making their capitalist donors happy.
     
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    And who helps decide the make up of Congress?

    Funny that, a 'capitalistic society' does quite well without people who are 'illegal'. They aren't 'dirt pay' workers, contrary to some beliefs.
     
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    Yes. Congress (both parties) are actively working against the national interest on this issue.
     
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    A capitalist society thrives upon the labor cost of the illegals in the work force. Notice how Congress refuses to pass Everify?
     
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    While you have those two instances, there have been two shootings in California and Oklahoma with a higher injury or body count.

    While I don't support open borders, the European Union is a good example of many countries, open borders. You can take a train from country to country, with very few instances of violence from migrants. The EU proves open borders work, just with a different culture.
     
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    The EU have shut down their importation of outsiders.
     
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    Perhaps where you are, illegals work for a cheap wage. They don't here. Matter of fact, they don't anywhere I've had reason to know, since most of them are using assumed Social Security numbers, which puts them under the fall of the FLSA.

    The reason it hasn't passed, is a little more partisan than you think. https://www.immigrationreform.com/2018/08/15/the-logic-of-e-verify/
     
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    I suggest the following: 1) Formulate a new immigration policy that fairly & humanely addresses ALL the issues connected with the problem, & make sure BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES have a hand in its passage. 2) Make sure that new policy is founded on human rights coupled with humane treatment of immigrants. 3) Evaluate each individual case with care & humanity, but make sure background checks are thorough & we don't accept foreign criminals or violent immigrants into the country. 4) Reinstate our foreign aid programs, to help native countries improve job & other opportunities for their citizens at home. That would relieve some of the pressures there to immigrate here.

    Immigration is a complex issue. Solving it will require the mixing of many new ideas from BOTH SIDES of the issue, but any new policies must be driven by adherence to the long-existing core human values America has stood for for so long. The inhumane policies of our current President & his henchmen MUST be abandoned & replaced by humanitarian policies that protect both our nation's security & new immigrant's human rights.
     
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    They're not "new immigrants", they're criminal invaders.
     
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    Your statements are all generalizations without any substance except #4. "4) Reinstate our foreign aid programs, to help native countries improve job & other opportunities for their citizens at home"

    Wouldn't those dollars be better served to help improve job & other opportunities for our citizens at home?



     
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    America has never been known as a country closed to immigration. There are three types of immigrants: legal, illegal & asylum seeking. Of the three, only one--the illegals--should concern you as an American. And of those, only a small percentage are "criminals." You appear to be a victim of the new Trump Republican propaganda of hate. America has never been a nation of hatemongers. I am embarrassed with Trump's success at turning America into one, but I have no plans to join that dismal & demeaning group. So sorry you have. :(
     
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    It depends on whether you are serious about helping stem the tide of immigration from there to here. If excessive immigration concerns you, foreign aid is a proven help in stemming it.
     
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    I don't understand. Border patrol caught the migrant. Seems like a secure border to me.
     
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