Tuesday’s impeachment hearings were a disaster for Republicans

There isn't much else to see. Both Pompeo and Pence issued formal statements about Sondland's testimony which pretty much shows what they would say in a Senate trial.

The ONLY way that the Dems can continue this charade is if they make something up. Which I personally wouldn't put past them.

IE one of the witnesses said that he overheard what Trump said on a cell phone call. Common sense speaks to that as being an embellishment.
What likely happened is that the person was told what the conversation was about... so it is actually hearsay.

 

It was very much in doubt as recently as mid-September.


But yes, I think nearly everyone had agreed that impeachment was very much likely for the last couple of months.

 

This argument assumes that Cohen's attorneys would have agreed to a felony despite there being a "very good chance" that the charges would be dismissed. It just does not make much sense.

 

That's a very astute observation and I largely agree.

Republicans are in a rather unenviable position. They have to choose between either a slow political death (stand by Trump) or a rapid political death (criticize Trump).

 

It is. Yes.

 

It is the only explanation that you want to believe, but the much more likely explanation is that Trump abused his power by requesting campaign assistance from a foreign government in the form of an investigation against his domestic political opponent while he simultaneously and unilaterally held up hundreds of millions in military aid, a requested meeting, and a restoration of trade rights. This resulted in a whistleblower complaint and thankfully the Democrats, who obtained the majority in the House in 2018, were able to drag that complaint into the public realm despite Trump's every efforts to keep it secret.

 

Schiff was allowed to "make up whatever rules" he wanted thus far. We will see how that goes when the shoe is on the other foot. I agree with your comment that it will come down to We the People. That decision will indeed be made at the ballot box and I will fully except the results of 2020. Just as I did the 2016 results. What say you?

 

It will be decided at the ballot box. As it should be. Whatever those results are I truly hope America accepts them, and we can move beyond this past year and work on the issues facing our Country.

 

You give Joe Biden too much credit, I believe. President Trump is far too savvy to view him as such a threat to risk politically. Have you even watched him stumble around debating these amateur Democrat Socialists? Not likely he'd do very well facing a talented seasoned President Trump! The whistleblower is a professional partisan, security positioned plant that was groomed by the "resistance". Got the rug pulled out from under when the letter was produced. The "resistance" has had a whole series of "backup insurance policies" since they blew the 2016 election. Pretty soon there will be an IG report that will be a "criminal investigation" into everything I'm saying. You all stay tuned because it will be a fun ride for some, and tears and sobbing for others. 2016 all over again!

 

I disagree about Schiff.

The tide turned against the BLOTUS in 2017 and is still running against him and the GOP through 2018 and 2019. I do not see anything that is going to change that direction in his and the GOP's favor.

What about you?

 

So you don't believe Schiff decided on rules for this inquiry? Really? You could very well be correct where the 2020 election may head. Time will tell. Did you accept the 2016 results, and will you state today that you will accept the 2020 results?

 

Another way to look at things, MrTLegal, is that what Trump did, if anything, was merely a head fake to get Ukraine to look into corruption. assure that the new President is on the up and up, and also get the EU to kick in bucks they should. Whether or not there was Biden corruption will soon be found out anyway.
Nothing was never actually held up so no laws were violated. No investigations were launched. No quid pro quo. So unless the thought police can do a much better job, the Senate will not entertain them much!

 

Hard pass on that theory. Trump is a ****ing moron, but he is perfectly capable of seeing the same polls as everyone else and has access to internal polls that demonstrated Trump would lose tremendously to the Democrats, and to Joe Biden specifically by the largest margin. Coincidentally, those internal polls leaked publicly in early June - precisely during the same time frame that Trump and his associates were pressuring Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden.

But here's the other reason that your theory is built on a mighty pile of bullshit. If Trump was so confident that he could beat Biden or that Biden would not be the eventual nominee or whatever, then that makes him an even bigger moron to risk impeachment by pushing an investigation against Biden specifically.

 

Because he got caught! The money was released two days after Congress was notified about the existence of the whistleblower complaint and the announcement was scheduled for just two days after that!

And you should drop the "no quid pro quo" talking point. It died in a fire yesterday.

 

So nearly everyone (according to your chart) is betting on a Trump impeachment and they still are betting on Trump winning the 2020 election (needle has barely moved in three months).

psst……...that's Biden and Warren at the bottom (and this is before a couple of investigations likely not favorable to Dems are concluded). .

 

Trump having a ~40% chance of winning the election sounds about right. But it isn't particularly useful to compare his probability to those of a specific Democratic nominee given that none of the Democratic nominees have some type of absolute lock on the nomination, let alone have they secured the nomination.

But to that point, if you add up the probabilities of just the top 4 DNC nominees in that chart, you see a collective bet of ~54% that one of those four Democrats will win in 2020.

 

lol, enjoy the election!!

 

Enjoy the impeachment!

 

The entire impeachment inquisition has been a total disaster for the Democrats!

 

Trump's approval numbers have gone up since this whole impeachment inquisition sham begun.

His approval number is currently at 44.3%

You were saying?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

 

I was saying that Tuesday's impeachment hearings were a disaster for Republicans.

But if you want to talk approval ratings, I would note that you are wrong. Pelosi announced the official start of the impeachment inquiry on September 24th. His RCP approval rating on Sept. 24th was 45.3. And as such, it is currently lower at 44.3%.

But even if you want to start your "gone up" argument at his most recent low point of 41.6% on October 27th, that means his approval rating has stayed in the exact same range of 41-44% that it has been during the entire course of his presidency.

 

Solid analysis

/s

 

But it wasn't a disaster for Republicans.

Just the opposite.

This whole impeachment inquisition has been an embarrassment and total disaster for the Democrat party.

 

What is important here is not a single fact has been presented that will convince Senate Republicans to convict. The House votes at its own peril and the 2020 Presidential election hangs in the balance.

Let's go!

 

Sure, I also enjoyed you sharing that as the likelihood of a Trump impeachment has increased his chance at reelection has not decreased. Thx for the link