Conservatives are right, the impeachment hearings are a dog and pony show

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  1. Quantum Nerd

    Quantum Nerd Well-Known Member

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    Listened to some of the original testimony yesterday on NPR. Anyone who can stand listening to this for more than 30 min needs to seriously get their brains checked.

    The GOP representatives on the committee, however, have their big part in making this a dog and pony show. Instead of questioning the witnesses, they go on pointless 5 minute monologue rants that are based on the following aims: Distract, obfuscate, derail, accuse Democrats, support claims that there is nothing to see, accuse Democrats come more, include some conspiracy theories.... You'd seriously come to believe that these representatives have lifted their statements directly from RW trash blogs, or this forum, for all that matters. It makes you fear for what kind of nut jobs are sitting in congress.

    The Dems are not much better. Instead of focusing on the facts, their leading questions are following self-gratifying, minute-long monologue that virtually answers the question, before the witness can even speak.

    Overall, it sounds like a circus rather than serious impeachment hearings. Most likely, this is the image that the GOP wants to portray to the public, so the public sours on the process. What happened to doing the right thing first, before loyalty to party? Because NONE of the GOP representatives can really believe anymore that Trump didn't want to get dirt on Biden from Ukraine. However, they happily lie to congress (and they can because they are not sworn into the hearing by oath), maybe because they are afraid of the wrath of their leader?

    Oops. just realized that this does not belong into current events. Mods, can you please move to political opinions forum? Thanks.
     
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    lpast Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trumps favorability has gone up, independents are tuning it out.
     
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    The hearings are more of a dog **** show.
     
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    A question fo you are you only concerned with Trump's favorability rating and the hell with the truth?

    Just a historical note the Clinton supporters did not carecwith truth either.
     
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    Exactly it's a kangaroo court, just vote on impeachment already
     
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    I do not view most of the clowns such as Jordan as a real conservative. They only care that Trump not be removed from office no matter what harm he does to our country. Ad things such as the biggest deficit increase in history, destroying our relation with allies, and ignoring our Constitution.
     
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    we all saw the truth, yet the left wishes to twist it to feed their agenda of hatred...
     
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    it's the 'eloquent soft-spoken' types that are dangerous, much worse than the quiet or boastful
     
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    Just like the Senate will be a kangaroo court, with the opposite outcome, because the GOP has the majority? Are you already pre-emptively discrediting the ruling in the Senate.
     
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    lpast Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course not but the truth isnt what you want it to be, the truth is what it is and I think the truth is this is a setup. Schiff got NOTHING to impeach a president for and the left has been lying and coercing to hurt this president from day one.

    So I have a question for you: Do you care about the truth or just getting rid of trump
     
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    So you ignored the hatred farted out at Col. Vindman and Fiona Hill.
    Sen Johnson outright lied and accused Col Vindman of leaking. Proved to be a totally false accusation. How about the death threats to Fiona Hill? Is that a sign of love? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
     
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    No the kangaroos will outvote the truth Sayers in the Senate
     
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    The sad part is, in between the rabid foolishness of the Dems and the blind stupid loyalty of the Republicans sits a president completely guilty of what he is being accused of and he's going to get away with it. Even if the Democrats pass articles of Impeachment, his lackies in the Senate are just going to acquit.

    The only hope here is that evidence of more wrongdoing is brought to light, and I hope the Democrats don't let him slide on all the obstruction he's been doing. That became part of the impeachment of Nixon, there's no reason it shouldn't be here.
     
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    Yeah, it is amazing hearing those Trump lackeys go on the media (they finally do again, after getting their talking points straight after weeks of soul searching). Now, the talking point is that it was purely about routing corruption in Ukraine. Well, we haven't seen such a laser focus on corruption in other countries, for example Saudi Arabia or Israel. They happily receive US aid without investigations. Why? because they have no dirt on political opponents.

    This is all so transparent. I am not sure who they think they are fooling.
     
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    Probably not the best week to bring up farting...
     
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    So the dems set the rules, the dems set the terms, the dems only allow their witnesses, the dems decide which testimony to release, and the dems run the hearings and it's the republicans fault. Brilliant.
     
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    The truth? You think we are getting to any truth in these hearings? In the words of Colonel Jessep from A Few Good Men, "You can't handle the truth!"

    There has not been any testimony that definitively puts Trump guilty of a single act of impeachment! There are even Dems in the House that fully agree with this statement.

    All of this is political posturing and grandstanding! The left started it and the right is following suit because they have no other option. This is a vulgar attempt to influence the 2020 election! And we are supposedly worried about the Russians!?
     
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    Except for the call transcript, Trump on the WH lawn, the unexplained military hold and Mulvaney's confession, there's only a pretty solid circumstantial case...

    If anybody ever got Trump under oath, it wouldn't take 5 minutes to get him to say "You're ******n right I did"
     
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    I have always believed the largest influence of the 2016 election was the negative coverage by our own mainstream media. People like me look for facts not drama. Democrats love drama. I too have not seen any evidence for impeachment. None. And this while we have been presented a biased partisan trial too.

    It could get real ugly for the democrats if Barr and his investigations start charging officials with acts of corruption.
     
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    The reason for the hurried vote is because the dem clown show is in a box. The vote they take is not an impeachment vote but a vote to send it to the Judiciary committee for impeachment proceedings. There are a number of cases in court of which could invalidate the whole process, a couple of which the dem clown show will probably lose and why they are rushing the process.
     
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    No vote required to sent it to Judiciary...
     
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    Not sure the kangaroo court is the house, the Senate just takes their advice and convicts or not?
     
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    You are right but they don't want to wait for the courts to decide some of the issues, thus the rush.
     
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    It’s not truth they're after, it’s Trump.
    Everybody knows it by now.
     
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    Your accusation doesn't hold up to scrutiny, at least not for people who are not in the Trump cult. The Dems would be happy to have the big players in this game testify, for example Pompeo, Bolton, Mulvaney, maybe Trump himself. Then, there would be no "hearsay" defense. Now, do you wonder why those people won't testify? I give a hint: they are between a rock and a hard place: Testify truthfully and throw Trump, and possibly yourself under the bus. Lie, and be prosecuted for perjury.

    That's what Bolton was talking about that Giuliani was the hand grenade that would blow everybody up.

    Fact: it is actually the Republicans who prevent key witnesses from testifying, because they know that they won't like what they would hear.
     
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