Pentagon Chief asks for Navy Secretary's resignation over private proposal in Navy SEAL's case

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  1. FlamingLib

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    Good call Esper.
     
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    Trump doesn't give a crap about the military.
     
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    Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper asked for the resignation of Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer on Sunday after losing confidence in him over his handling of the case of a Navy SEAL accused of war crimes in Iraq, the Pentagon said.

    Spencer’s resignation came in the wake of the controversial case of Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL who was accused of war crimes on a 2017 deployment. He was acquitted of murder but convicted in July of posing with the corpse of a captive.

    Esper asked for Spencer’s resignation after learning that he had privately proposed to White House officials that if they did not interfere with proceedings against Gallagher, then Spencer would ensure that Gallagher was able to retire as a Navy SEAL, with his Trident insignia.


    Spencer’s private proposal to the White House — which he did not share with Esper over the course of several conversations about the matter — contradicted his public position on the Gallagher case, chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said in a statement.

    Esper said in the statement that he was “deeply troubled by this conduct.”

    “Unfortunately, as a result I have determined that Secretary Spencer no longer has my confidence to continue in his position,” Esper said. “I wish Richard well.”
     
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    Do tell how you know this.
     
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    No one in the unified chain of command gets to blackmail the Commander in Chief. Insubordinate prick.
     
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    No politician does. They are just pawns for them. If they cared, the VA would work just fine.
     
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    You're right. If Trump can't protect convicted war criminals, who can we depend on?
     
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    The secretary just threatened to quit.
    Careful what you wish for....
     
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    He had it coming.

    Trumps the boss.

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    Trump vs the military? I don't know where you get that. This will make him beloved by the rank and file. The people who do the action. :lol:This is important.
     
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    What's the true story here? CNN is reporting that Secretary Spencer was fired by the Sec Def for proposing a "Secret agreement with the White House" and going around Chain of Command. Allegedly he made a secret deal with President Trump that they would go through with the peer review board but guaranteed that Gallagher would remain a Navy SEAL. Sounds like trying to appease both sides of the aisle here. Let the peer review proceed because thats what the Navy wants, but let nothing come of it because that's what Trump wants.

    Now Spencer is fired and Trump is tweeting out that the Sec Def fired him and Trump is cool with that?

    This whole thing sounds fishy. I'd like to hear more facts here. Something isn't right, somebody is lying to save face.
     
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    There's a good chance CNN is fake news here as it is elsewhere.

    Frankly there always seems to be some sort of drama with the Navy, and especially the SEALS.
     
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    Political appointees come and go.
     
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    A highly decorated Navy Seal on his last and 8th deployment gets railroaded by a system that rewards prosecutors on convictions with little to no evidence.
     
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    True, unfortunately it's not just CNN but all mainstream media. It was just yesterday that all major news outlets were reporting that Spencer threatened to resign then he himself comes out on TV and says he never said such a thing. Or perhaps he did and backtracked based on new events that may have to do with this current story. Or maybe not.

    Who the hell knows what's true anymore? It's sad that we can't rely on professional news organizations to deliver factual news. Couple that with the sheer amount of lying and betrayal and face saving dealings that go on in politics there is no telling what ACTUALLY happened here.

    Perhaps someone in the know will come out and make a statement as to what has actually happened. This whole thing is fishy as hell something isn't adding up.
     
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    Just another one of Trump’s “very best people” canned like the rest of them. Gee, do you think all this churn in the executive branch has anything to do with the terrible “leader” at the top?
     
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    True, but in all fairness that isn't always a "good" thing.

    What I mean is that there are rules in the military obviously, but the military is also a brotherhood. "The people who do the action" are an even stronger brotherhood than most. Which is great because those bonds are important, however, it's difficult to enforce rules and regulations onto your own brothers. Yes the fellow SEALs likely cheered Gallagher being reinstated and cheered "Big Navy" getting trashed on by Trump for going after their brother, and to be honest with you would likely not even have turned him over if he actually did what he was accused of in the first place.

    That's not a "bad" thing, but that doesn't mean they are "right" either. The rank and file don't like any sort of punishment happening to their brothers regardless of whether they broke a rule or not. So just because the actual troops are happy with a decision doesn't necessarily mean it's the correct decision.

    There are plenty of rules in the military to where if you broke one and got prosecuted then the prosecutor would be the bad guy by default. Not because the prosecutor was doing anything wrong, he was enforcing the rules as written, but rather because they were going after a brother and in the eyes of many the "brotherhood" is more important than whatever rule was broken, almost regardless of what it was. Especially when it comes to these elite SOCOM units...

    You have to do something REALLY wrong for your fellow troops to turn on you, especially in a community like Navy SEALs, and their own definition of "really wrong" is often nowhere near close to what the military defines as "really wrong".
     
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    In this case, it is a good thing.
     
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    So you believe it to be upholding the law when the President reverses decisions made by a jury trial? And how does this statement of yours mesh with the freeing of two men who hadn't even been through trial yet? Pretty astounding that Trump acolytes can simultaneously pretend they're for law and order, and then seek to scatter into the wind any sort of judicial checks and balances because the system is "corrupt". You're nothing more than supporters of a brutish authoritarian at this point.
     
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    Spencer proposed a quid pro quo secretly to the WH bypassing the chain of command (Esper). He proposed if the WH did not interfere that Gallagher could retire as a Navy Seal counter to his public statements.
     
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    Courts Martial is not a court of law. It is more like The company you work for deciding you broke some rule and the prosecutors work for the company. Evidence is not always needed.
     
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    "A military tribunal isn't a court of law, they just have juries, judges, prosecutors, defenders, and they abide by the letter of the laws enshrined... but they wear uniforms, SO TOTALLY DIFFERENT!"

    Your line of thought is essentially advocating for lawlessness for all members of the military, they can apparently never be held culpable because "they're special". Gross.
     

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