Do you have irreconcilable political differences with your family members?

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  1. yguy

    yguy Well-Known Member

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    I deliberately avoided any discussion along those lines, as family ties carry obligations that interactions with prospective friends do not...
    ...so as far as I'm concerned this is all nonresponsive.
     
  2. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Well if you are separating family and friends then I also have friends who are also BLM supporters. One in particular is a pretty vocal one and has been in jail on a number of occasions for carrying out some of that degenerate nonsense in real life. He was arrested for being a knucklehead during a riot a few years ago from one of those police brutality fiasco's. Known them for decades, we went to high school together. He's still a friend, I visit and hang out with him every time I go home to visit.

    He's more of an actual idiot than he is the self proclaimed political activist he believes himself to be, but he's my buddy still.

    I wasn't exaggerating when I made the statement I made before. I really don't care very much about someones ideology...Whether they are family or friends...
     
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  3. yguy

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    And they hate whitey, and you knew that when you met them?
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    One of them does, well he did when we were teenagers. I think he's probably calmed down at this point as he grew the hell up hopefully.

    But no I didn't know that when I met any of them. We were childhood friends, things like that aren't exactly subjects you talk about as kids. It was more like what's the coolest Thundercat and whatnot...But as we all grew up yeah a few of them started to go off their rocker. When we became teenagers is when my one buddy took on the whole Black Panther persona type ordeal and went around as some idiotic radical activist fighting against the injustices of the "white man". He was more of the butt of all of our jokes than anything else, we just thought he was stupid and made fun of him all the time whenever he spouted off Malcom X crap every 5 mins when we were eating lunch every day. He was still our buddy.

    In regards to the underlying question that I believe is being implied. Would I befriend a new person who I knew "hated whitey" beforehand? It would depend on whether he had the same hobbies that I do and if we got along. "Hating whitey" isn't an automatic disqualifier if that's what you're asking. I'll think you're an idiot and ask that we don't discuss your hatred of whitey around me when we hang out because I don't want to hear that nonsense. But if you like fishing and beer as much as I do and I like your personality and want to go fishing and have a few beers then I'll likely oblige as long as you agree to shut the hell up about black power or whatever.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    AR-15…what AR-15?
     
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    Do you not see how far into the extreme you have to go to make this work?
     
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    Is Bernie a family member of yours? And does he bring the repossessed guns to family dinners?
     
  8. yguy

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    So it isn't just questionable ideologies you're tolerant of, it's hatred as well.
     
  9. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I do not hate any birth group.

    It is important for me that I am not White. I am Jewish -- one of ethnic minorities. In USA I have not experienced anti-Semitism in USA. I am not White. I am not Russian. I am not American.

    Perhaps, being autistic, I am proud of not being a part of Society. Every Aspie is a World within him/herself. Many Aspies do not fit into Society.
     
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    I have a liberal aunt from San Francisco. We avoid politics because we love each other. She took great care of my uncle until he died last week. She sees how responsible and hard working I am and we have a mutual respect. I need to take her to lunch next week after my vacation.
     
  11. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    "Tolerant" is the key word here.

    Both major sides of the aisle, Liberals/Progressive and Conservatives, always try to sling that word around whenever it's convenient for their own particular ideology.

    Liberals preach tolerance as one of the main talking points of their belief system, yet they are intolerant of those who are not tolerant in the specific way they see fit. Conservatives are intolerant of Progressives because of a perceived hypocrisy of them not being tolerant in regards to intolerance.

    In layman's terms, Progressives say Conservatives are not tolerant enough and Conservatives say that Progressives are not tolerant because they don't accept that not everybody will be tolerant of their particular viewpoints.

    I on the other hand am tolerant of intolerance. It's pretty difficult to call oneself "tolerant" when you are not tolerant of intolerance and tolerant of views that do not coincide with your own.

    At the end of the day, millions of Americans believe that YOUR ideology, which I believe to be traditional Conservatism, is based on hatred. And not only are you tolerant of said "hatred", you enforce it by voting as a Republican.

    Is that actually true of you? Of course not in your own mind, but it is true of you in the eyes of millions of Americans.

    Who is actually "right"? Nobody, it's all personal beliefs which is why I don't put much stake in anyone's personal ideologies.
     
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    Beautifully put. Thank you for this superb contribution ..... and for being a genuinely decent human being :flowerpot:
     
  13. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I don't hate anybody who hasn't actually done anything absolutely terrible to me. There are people in this world that I truly hate, the person who murdered a family member of mine recently counts among them. But I don't hate anyone for holding a particular ideology. I don't particularly like certain ideologies and I feel some are completely detrimental to America but that's not enough for me to just disown somebody because they think like that, or refuse to get to know them on a personal level.

    I hold some Liberal views, I hold some Conservative views, and I hold views from all ranges of the spectrum depending on the topic. Out of the two major US Parties I feel that the Republican Party is better for the US than the current Democrat one. I feel that the far Left Progressive takeover of the Democrat Party is terrible and a huge chunk of the Progressive ideology would be severely detrimental to the United States. I don't hate those folks, nor do I hold any ire towards them strong enough to refuse to interact with them. But I just think they are wrong and wrong in a massive way and if the Republican Party held a super majority in Congress and held the Presidency I believe the nation would be an overall better place going forward. Even though I don't agree with everything Republicans believe, not even close, I think it is the much lesser of two evils when the Progressive Democrats are the only other option.

    Individual personalities matter much more to me than political ideology. Common courtesy, manners, and respect are what I value in folks and seek out when looking for friends. I will invite to dinner a well mannered and respectful Bernie Sanders supporter over a rude and no manner having military war vet Trump supporter every single time. Even though the latter way more closely aligns with my ideology than the former.

    At the end of the day I care way more about who you are as an individual person and your personality over what you believe politically. I don't even know what quite a few of my long time friends believe ideologically, we've never asked one another because we don't care. We enjoy each others company when hanging out and that's the only thing that actually matters in the grand scheme of things.
     
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    I do not like anyone who views me as innately guilty of something or innately inferior to them.
     
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    You're tolerant of hatred as well.
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, many people who claim to be intolerant of intolerance do make very negative generalizations about birth groups.
     
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    I know not what course others may take but I'm keeping all mine!
     
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    At least you answered the question.

    Everyone else sidestepped the question (.....as if the topic is too.... divisive), apart from CCitizen, who considers the 2nd Amendment to be democide (with over 550,000 killed in USA 1999 to 2016).

    I agree with CCitizen.

    But you have exposed your opinion re rule of law....and no doubt the unnecessary killing will continue.
     
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    Thank you! Indeed, this is an example of democide. About 36,000 people lose their lives to guns each year.
     
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    I have never held a firearm.

    Too many Americans are willing to allow hundreds of thousands of lives to be lost.
     
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    they want to take your AR 15 away so that you could no longer protect the sheep.

    how can you be friends with family members who want to use lawful government force against the righteous sheep dogs and shepherds?

    in America, individual liberty allows Americans to remain united by being polite.

    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/robert_a_heinlein_100989
     
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    I don't have irreconcilable political differences with my family members but I will say this:

    I live in a rural corner of Virginia where the human and political demographics are as mixed as they can be and the people in our community are happy to look past our political differences, whether they be reconcilable or not. Simply put, we are a community and we have more in common with each other than not. Furthermore, we realize that there is more to people and life than politics and we would much rather live happily and harmoniously with one another than fight over politics.

    It's funny, while most of us have put signs endorsing various candidates from different parties out in our front yards where everyone can see them, not once have I gotten into a discussion, much less an argument, about politics with my neighbors. Politics just aren't high on our list of interests and concerns. We've got more important things to worry about.
     
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    I love this. Hats off to your community .. apparently one of the few real ones left.
     
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    Thanks, crank.

    To illustrate how purple it is out here we have a Democrat representing us in our state House and a Republican in our state Senate, and both of them are moderates/centrists. While we are conservative in some respects as rural folks around the world tend to be, the political spectrum ranges from Center Left to Center Right and the heterodoxes in between, so our political differences aren't extreme. I think we also realize how toxic politics can be so we don't allow it to poison our community.
     
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    That's the key to any healthy community ... moderation. Once people start flying off into extremes, cohesion is lost.

    PS: Your community sounds awesome. Don't ever leave!
     
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