Is the scientific community stupid?

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Nope!

    YOU said that!

    Golem did NOT say that!
     
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    OK I can answer a few of these....

    1; There is no clear evidence that vaccines cause autism. The "study" that showed evidence, which vaccine critics always love to quote was full of false information, and the FORMER doctor who did the study is now barred from practicing medicine in the United States over knowingly falsifying information found in the study. He almost went to prison over it (making fake medical claims is a felony), but ended up pleading out and simply being fined, put on probation, and having his medical license permanently revoked (this was a federal order, meaning he can't get a license in any state). He was also permently banned from working for any public university doing research, even in non-licensed roles.

    2; There are several studies which prove a direct link between cancer and the chemicals that tobacco companies add to their products. These studies are all peer-reviewed and have been proven to be accurate.

    3; There was never any world wide flood. But there have been very large floods along the mediterranean sea. These floods would have seemed like world ending disasters to people who thought their small area was the entire world.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just had to get there somehow regardless of how long it has been there. How did it get there? Saying it has been there forever does not explain it.
    Ask Gelem. That was his statement.
    Those are Golem's exact words.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

    Onus is entirely on YOU to PROVE that matter/energy was "created".

    So far you have provided SQUAT to substantiate your OPINION on the matter.

    I will stick with the Laws of Physics instead.
    Prove it by providing his EXACT QUOTES!
     
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    And it still took more than a decade to find out that the British anti vac doc was a corrupt piece of **** that was fudging his data. And again what you said here is wholly disconnected from what I said. Of course it's opinion. Now various opinions will be based on different things, and sadly sometimes in science like much of the rest of life opinion is based as much on ego as it is on science. When you've built your entire career on a specific interpretation of a given set of facts, and some one comes along and challenges your assertions it is damn hard for even scientist to avoid attaching their egos to their ideas. Hence we see Mann trying to silence his opposition with defamation lawsuits.
     
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    I see as I suspected you have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    What happens to the energy and matter that gets sucked into a black hole?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    It is about reputation. One is better off to have not published than to publish a faulty finding. When an article is published, thousands of readers will take it serious enough to work out the equations, copy the experiments, and try to apply what is written, to their own research. If it is found to be faulty, there will be letters and articles pushing back by the next issue or two. Nobody wants that.
    I have never known a mathematical equation to have an opinion.
     
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    It becomes part of the black hole.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Go back and read what I wrote originally. Energy and Matter can not be created. Yet here we are. It had to be created somehow at some point. Otherwise it would not be there. I proposed two possibilities, both of which are impossible. And yet here we are. I was just commenting on the wonder of this great universe. Obviously one of those "impossibilities" cannot be true.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ldnt-accomplish.561802/page-3#post-1070987944
     
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    Golem was not talking about thousands of readers. He was talking about "peer review".
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    You are arguing AGAINST yourself and you are taking things completely OUT OF CONTEXT again.

    No point in wasting any further time on this.

    Have a nice day!
     
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    Not all scientific opinions are based on mathematical formulae hence the somewhat heated disagreement over the end of the dinosaurs. Particle Physics is one thing and paleontology quite another.
     
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    Exactly. I was making a point. This is a wonderful world and we can't come close to explaining how we got here. Did you consider that Golem's comment was out of context? it was his exact quote which I questioned at the time.
     
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    The overwhelming majority does some doesn't. A lot of basic physics seems to operate at best tenuously at the event horizon. Put in laymens terms there is a lot of crap we don't have a good handle on as of yet.
     
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    Not to muddy the water or anything, but matter is constantly being created and destroyed. It comes in what is called pair production, where a particle and and an antiparticle spontaneously appear and then eventually recombine and annihilate each other. There is no net change in energy/mass during the whole process.

    There is an incomplete hypothesis that says everything was created this way but somehow the particles and antiparticles were somehow separated. This would require for there to be anti worlds in another part of the galaxy which there is no indication that there is.
     
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    I do not believe they are stupid but I do believe they have became politically motivated.....which is worse.
     
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    You cannot absolutelyy depend on those which use mathematical formula. For all practical purposes, it is nearly impossible to take all theories back to those basic mathematical formula for complex issues. There are invariably approximations and assumptions. built into the equations .
     
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    You simply do not understand the scientific method. None of these things are proven. They are theory or just opinion. Not understanding how everything works is not an indication of IQ. It is a list of things to investigate further.

    But, at any rate here are your questions
    no
    Approximately 4 1/2 billion years
    unknown
    yes
    unknown, yes
    no
    no
    yes
    no, no
    some are some are not
    yes
    yes
     
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    Yes the scientific community is stupid because they are all basically godless heathen who believe in the theory of evolution. They buy into darwins theory and ignore clear evidence of God. Scientific study is only congruent with the facts when studied through a lens of faith in God.

    Science will continue to fail and flounder until they bring God back into the picture.
     
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    LOLOLOLOL:roflol:
     
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    Okay, you must know something about our scientific community that everyone else does not. You obviously have the inside scoop, send me more of that fake news!

    I bet you think climate change is real?
    Do you use ecosia as your primary search engine?
     
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    There is another possibility. If you take nothing and pull it apart you end up with two somethings. If you put those two somethings back together they become nothing. Thus something can be created as long as its exact opposite is also created. This does not violate any laws of physics.
     
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    Its pointless for you and I to discuss anything.
     
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    Im glad you figured that out in relatively short order.
     

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