Should the US Surrender to Putin Again in 2020?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Fake Don's new schlock tv gig:

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    DANCING WITH THE TSARS
     
  2. gringo

    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    Ever hear the saying

    “divide and conquer”

    that is why Russia wants trump

    even Russia knows trump is a stupid spoiled rich kid that will divide the country

    phase one complete
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let Putin buy his $150,000 in ads on Facebook.

    It won't change a thing.
     
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    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    more like $1.5 million.
    And yes it changed many things

    There are actually people that believe the conspiracy theories Russia promotes

    kinda sad actually
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Not a shred of evidence to support your conspiracy theory. There are also people who believe there is humanoid life on Mars the moon landing was faked and that a spacemen built the pyramids. None of it is proof that Russia changed a single solitary vote.
     
  6. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Probably none.....but at least they would try?
     
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    So you think Russia will invade California?

    Good putin can have it, heck we would give it to him for a bottle of vodka and a 4th round draft choice in 2021.
     
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    What specifically do you think they would try? I have this picture in my head of Warren inviting Putin to a beer summit and telling him to “cut it out”. Or Sanders threatening to cancel his second honeymoon over the issue. :)
     
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    The very first step would be instant and automatic, whoever stepped in would NOT be spewing Putins propaganda for him to the American audience. Hopefully the next step would be a very robust sanctions platform as well as the threat of full blown asset seizure. Then after regaining the trust and respect of allies, joint elimination of world market access and a major rebuilding of NATO capabilities.
     
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    william kurps Banned

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    Huh?

    For decades we were at a brink of war with the Soviet Union and now Russia..everything is calm now as Trump is president and friends with Russia ..

    So now you demand the next president start another cold war? Or nuclear?

    For what, to die?
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Russia is at War with an American friend and in fact has invaded and kills its people as we speak. We SHOULD NOT even TRY to be friends right now as they certainly do not act like friends.In truth they are also playing at war in the cyber realm right now and MUST BE STOPPED! The "Cold War" you speak of never stopped....it simply changed fronts.
     
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    william kurps Banned

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    Obama didn't defend our friend that bill promised..
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is not an Obama discussion and your blatant distraction attempt is rather pathetic, generally speaking the idea is usually to address the topic in these threads.
     
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    Wait you don't know the history?

    Bill said he would defend Ukraine

    Obama didn't..

    Why are you upset at me about facts?
     
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    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    Uhm ok..

    When we stand united, motivated by our love for each other and for our country, there is no challenge we cannot overcome. Will you stand with me?~ Tulsi 2020
     
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    It must have been the blankets Democrats gave Ukraine to fight off Russian tanks; or was it that the Democrats reneging on installing missile defense to protect our allies and us from Russia and Iran; or was it that they didn't like the Democrats' unilateral destruction of our nuclear deterrence; perhaps it was the low quality of the uranium production Democrats sold Putin. Are you serious? What Putin wants is for Americans to lose confidence in our Democratic processes. He couldn't have better partners than the Democrat Party and the media.
     
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    Putin's latest attempt to divide America is his UKRAINE DID IT! While it has been completely debunked it still plays well in some circles. The BIDEN DID IT! ruse has also been debunked by Intelligence agencies (deep state) but that also plays quite well in some circles. But some circles will believe anything if it is carefully spoon fed. In fact some circles have become so star struck by their false god that one doesn't even need to spoon feed them, just throw a bucket of slop in their face and let them lick off the remains.
     
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    It was Hillary that surrendered to Russia. She sold them much of our uranium for a $140,000,000 donation to the Clinton Foundation. A surrender and a criminal act.
     
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    What is the Putin propaganda? In my opinion, all Putin is after is discord and upheaval in our government. He’s getting it but it isn’t because of Trump.

    One problem with that plan is that many of our NATO allies are vehemently opposed to more sanctions against Russia. They are in the process of removing current sanctions. Pushing for more sanctions will not strengthen NATO. Germany wants partnership with and dependence on Russia for energy. NATO is probably a thing of the past in Europe. Forget history. Europe needs/wants the Euros/Rubles a close relationship with the Bear provide.
     
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    There are far more people who actually believe the CTs created by the mainstream media and deep state. Several posting on this thread.

    I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
     
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    If you ask me, we should start giving money to Putin's political opponents, and publically endorse then as "the end of the Putin dictatorship". I mean, outright call Putin a dictator, and a communist. (he IS a communist after all, he ran the ****ing KGB)
     
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    The plan to create chaos did succeed, and we have the Democrats to thank for that, not trump. What Russia did was nothing compared to the billion dollar campaigns being run. But the left have been so butt hurt over losing theyve twisted everything to some grand russian conspiracy.

    Since 2016 the left has been hysterical with ridiculous accusations of trump being a Russian puppet or Russia hacking the election. Doesnt matter that none of that has any basis in reality, or that Russia is really a poor, weak country. The left have to be divisive because thats all they know how to do anymore.

    The left divide this country like no other.
     
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    Why blame the left ??
    Did the left say Putin was honest and the USA intelligence was not ??
    Did the left say “Russia if you are listening”
    did the left conspire with Ukraine to help them in 2020
    when a person has brainwashed by trump it is easy to blame the left
    does the left refer to the opposition as human scum??
    Does the left have a mentally unstable genius that tweets more than a 15 year old girl

    say whatever you want. It is the right that starts the battles And trump is e general

    and don’t forget to count how many of trump associates are currently in prison or about to be sentenced

    please stop drinking the kool aid
     
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    As I see it, the reason that ALL Americans are not up in arms about the Russian involvement is because it has been tied to Trump by many sources. If that were removed - if Trump were not mentioned in the same breath - I wonder how many more would be demanding more be done to protect the country and our elections in 2020?
     

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