Making China Great Again - Thanks Donnie

As Trump continues to retreat from America's global leadership position and the continuing hollowing out of the State Department infrastructure and leaving important posts unfilled, it seems there is another power eagerly and aggressively filling the void.

China is now the greatest diplomatic power on the planet, representing its interests in more official locations administering as much foreign aid as the US.

Yet another example of trump and his mob having no clue how to wield the third pillar of american power projection.

Meanwhile Trump's idea of diplomacy is demanding investigations by foreign governments into inane russian created conspiracy theories that have been publicly and thoroughly debunked.

Yippee America is Number 2!

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-vs-china-diplomatic-postings-lowy-institute-2019-11?utm_source=reddit.com

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/31/560278615/find-out-some-but-not-all-the-secrets-of-chinas-foreign-aid

 

Fake news..it's a PR piece, go find a decent source and they will tell you the exact opposite

 

how dismissively enlightening you are.

It ain't fake news, its is an announced State Policy with at least one measurable vector - diplomatic/trade boots on the ground in more places than the US. Sure US still spends more on foreign aid, but China is buying up africa while building strong diplomatic and economic ties with the MAJORITY of african states. Should examine how many thousands of miles of paved roads the chinese have already built and are continuing to built.

 

you mean propaganda

China is colonising Africa, you see... the Africans are a difficult bunch to colonise, the Chinese may well find they take the money then toss them out on their ear.

Chinese quality suck, we have billions worth of buildings with inferior building products in Australia alone, causing havoc buildings sinking, cracking etc... those roads will crack in 5 years

 

Its not colonization, its mutual economic interest with China securing long term access to natural resources while african nations jumpstart infrastructure and resource development.

AS for quality, I guess even australians are attracted to the lowest cost supplier at the expense of quality. You may have heard of the old capitalist adage - you get what you pay for.

Five years is more than enough time to establish economic dependence on paved transportation routes and lo and behold, the Chinese also sold the construction equipment and taught the natives how to maintain the system.

 

mutual economic interest.. for whom... the corrupt top 1% who receive all the money while the poor populace slave away in the mines... give me a break. Resources are the third worlds curse.

Did you know that is what a psychopath does.... "you let me do this it is your fault"

Africans don't maintain.. they are nomads, it's consume and move... consume and move.. just look at South Africa. Besides...it does make it a rather overpriced road/building if you have to fork out maintenance in 5 years... total rip off.

 

THANK
NIXON / Kissinger who opened markets to the
evil, Communist, bad, (so very very bad) Chinese to exploit.


Moi

Thank Trump for getting tough
on trade abuses ignored
by Bush, Jr. / Obama ​

 

LOL, Trump has been the only President in the last four that have taken on China. The last four have allowed the taxpayers to fund 100 billion of China’s programs rebuilding.

 

As I recall it was open markets for America to exploit. But hey, if ya gotta blame somebody for the current mess I guess you can go back to the start of it all.

And as for NAFTA 2.0 yep trump was tough to abuse but we managed to do so even better than with Bush or Obama. He's an easy play because he has no friggin clue.

 

I guess the point that your dear leader is retreating from the world while China is seriously engaging and securing long term resources is not his fault either.

My point is that his foreign policy is that of an idiot.

 

And if it was America doing the exact same thing, you'd call it colonialism or neocolonialism, a product of America's immorally unquenchable thirst for empire. I love how you fit so perfectly in the America-hating stereotype of liberalism.

 

I see you like the strawman retort in order to knock down your own pinata of bullshit.

But your comment certainly fits a stereotype given your ignorant use of the the term "liberalism". the tactic and the misuse are SOP for a certain active digital demographic.

 

Speaking about clues here's your first, If Nancy thought Trump's trade deal with Mexico was a disaster she wouldn't be sitting on it.

Two things went into the opening of China, the first, which actually worked for a while, isolated the former USSR, and contributed to its collapse the second was the rather Polly Annaish view that we could get the Chinese people addicted to Western - not just US goods and thereby get the Chinese government to act more like human beings and less like world conquering thugs. Tianemen Square was the first clue that the policy was an unmitigated disaster and ought to be abandoned forth with. Trump is the first president to even make baby steps in that direction and of course, leftist and Democrats are howling not a few of them because their Cash cow is being gored. Please note there's more than a few neocons and striped pants boys on by that gravy train as well.

 

What China is doing is neocolonialism using contracts and small print instead of guns.

 

LOL, by not sending our money to China. Sounds like you are on China’s side.

 

Of the 150 countries in the world what's wrong with being number 2? What's wrong with China sending foreign aid?

 

I think this is an apples to oranges comparison because the US and China have very different diplomatic goals. The United States isn't interested in getting countries to "respect" the United States, or refer to Puerto Rico as a part of the United States and so-on.

 

You mean like they did in Nigeria? Where they promised jobs for the locals but ended up shipping in their own chinese employee to do the job instead... Sure the local politician made a killing, but the locals are still unemployed and poor. Oh, and the chinese aren't too fussy about the environment either so you can add extreme contamination of soil that the local have to deal with.

 

Here's a bigger clue for you. Nafta 2.0 isn't a disaster but it ain't nearly the "best deal for America" trump as touted - at least from Canada's perspective. You see there are two sides to all negotiations.

She is sitting on it because in typical trumpian fashion there are a ton of unanswered questions about what the rules/regs for various parts of the deal will be. I guess you weren't aware the trade negotiations specific to these issues are continuing to this day.

Wouldn't want the trump administration to implement another policy they couldn't manage properly, say like the family separation policy, would you?

I totally agree about the impetus to insert America between the Sino/USSR relationship during the cold war. This "get china addicted to western goods" stuff was classic american tunnel vision. AS it happens it turned out to be the other way around, go figger.

 

Call it what you want, its working and America sits on the sidelines arguing about the merits of foreign aid because donnie thinks its a giant waste with no return.

 

Oh look another demonstration that Trumpians can't discern the difference between international trade and international aid.

But then again, Trump and his cult seem to not understand the term FOB when it comes to import/export and who pays import duties and taxes.

Billions taken in from American consumers and handed over to American farmers. Seems you can get away with increasing taxes and indulging in socialism if you lie your ass off about it to people who don't know any better.

 

I agree they have absolutely no problem with such obstacles as environmental safety and as for corruption they are more than willing to indulge. Just like America if history is any judge.

In the meantime they are the ones that are locking up the resources and establishing and expanding new markets, while Dear Leader Donnie is pissing off just about every ally on the planet.

 

You do realise that this is just a show, no?
If you don't, you should study a bit more... He's doing things differently than those that preceded him and he's getting good results overall for all parties involved. Some of our leaders needs to be talked though once in a while to keep them motivated. For too long the foreign relations have stagnated with no real leadership, all the parties being too polite to really do anything worthwhile. Trump changed that.

 

Billikns taken from the American consumers and handed to China. At least American farmers are American.

You evidently think the politicians that opened up the US to devastation of our own country are hero’s and hate the idea of someone like Trump fighting back.

 

The state department was previously run by the biggest scumbag ever in politics. I would have fired everyone in thr department and make them re apply and go through an interview process..


This is damage Hillary did not Trump