Mexican President to Urge Pelosi to Move Forward With USMCA

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  1. Bearack

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    Your idea of "a lot" is different than most Americans I'd say!

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics

    70 enacted laws compared to 443 in the the 115th congress. That's an 84% reduction in enacted laws.

    Again, a "Do nothing" congress that is no longer governing but trying to change the results of the previous election.
     
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    Was I arguing it wasn’t better than NAFTA?

    Congress still want enforcement included, just as they did in May.

    Are you calling Forbes a left leaning publication now?

    The assertion that was made was that they weren’t asking for anything. That forum member was DEAD wrong.
     
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    Evidently you missed that part in school where a possessive doesn't define a neutral.
     
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    How? It is not a finished product...
     
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    1. In less than half the time. Take a closer look at the time frames in your models and this one.
    2. Your goal post and mine are different. I am talking about the House doing its part to pass legislation to the Senate cemetery. Your number discusses bills enacted into law by both chambers. So if your concern is reflected in that stat, talk to Mitch. His body is doing a hell of a lot less to send any bills Pelosi's way than vice versa. But I sure cannot blame them.

    They have to get almost every important compromise they want to make, rubberstamped by both the caucus and by a guy above who literally is impossible to get a commitment out of, that spans more than 24 hours. He simply has no idea what he wants a bill to do, or say and it shows every time an new advisor shows up in the room to dissuade him from what he tweeted 4 hours earlier as his marching orders.

    Pelosi can utterly and completely ignore the ignoramus and count her caucus votes and get the work done. Mitch and friends are terrified they may make a commitment requiring some courage, and have Trump cut the legs out with idiotic tweets.
     
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    Evidently your mother missed, bigly.
     
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    You remind me of a kid that the best part of him ran down his Daddy's leg?
     
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    That's the best you can do?
     
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    This isn't the bullring and we must keep it within the bounds of moderation..
     
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    For an Australian who follows US politics, you have learned very little. It has to pass the house which Pelosi is in charge of. Then the Senate. Until then up there is nothing the President can do.
     
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    That's not even close to true, the USMCA is very much still under negotiation. In fact, there are three countries included in the trade agreement, two of which haven't yet approved the agreement through their parliament/congress, and the one country out of the three that has gotten the agreement past their parliament has yet to have their president ratify it. This notion that the agreement is pending on the US house of representatives doesn't correlate with what is actually going on in the negotiations. Even if the US congress had already approved the agreement, it still has hasn't even gone through the U.S. Trade Representative. In other words, the final product of the agreement has yet to be agreed on
     
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    You have the leaders of 2 of the 3 nations wanting things wrapped up-and the remaining is led by a Canadian in blackface.

    Its not like Dems are eager to pass this-again they don't want Trump to get any credit.

    Would top dems sit on a trade agreement even if it meant hurting the American economy? Absolutely.
     
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    That's a lot of words to dance around the actual issue ---- do you think we would be farther along in the process if Pelosi weren't so hellbent on obstructing it?? (Yes/No.)
     
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    It is passed time when you and others in the Party of Trump get over your anger at so called "elites" and the "deep state." Trump has played on your anger for three years like a cheap violin. Trump is nothing more than an aggressive "punch back" voice for people that consider themselves disenfranchised. The "deep state" is all of government, all the way down to postal employees. Why do you hate America? Do you desire anarchy? Most Elites have been taken down a peg and learned their lesson about inclusion. Get off the anger train that goes nowhere.
     
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    Hate of the deep state existed long before Trump. The government isn't America. America is the people. Government serves the people.

    No deep state is not all of government. Deep state refers to specific mindsets in government where people who hold power do their own thing and ignore the will of the elected officers and will of the people.
     
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    Some dare call it treason.
     
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    She is indeed using the USMCA as a political prop, an attempt to say "See, we're bipartisan!", but as you pointed out, the trade deal was on her desk for a WHOLE YEAR. There isn't anyone, with any sense of politics who's going to fall for the bipartisan crap spin. Now, had she passed it I don't know, even six months ago she might've been able to give that spin with some lipstick, but it's not even putting lipstick on a pig. It's flat out lying.

    Pelosi's "leadership" has been disturbing. She is the House version of Dubya.(the Liberals' nickname for Bush, to stick it even harder to them/her.) I demand her resignation. She's worse for American politics than Trump.
     
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    In part, it is partisan(without Trump's input). You've got to remember that by and far, conservatives have different agendas than Liberals(and vice-versa), this is where the spirit of compromise kicks in. But we're currently in an era where we call the Senate Majority leader "Moscow Mitch". Yeah, that does very well for compromising....Or having a Speaker storm out of meetings, which even those on the Left recognize is a moment of emotional weakness for the House Speaker.

    I think we would be better off with any other Democrat than Pelosi as speaker. At this point, I'd even take AOC. And as far as Trump is concerned, do you remember his first State of the Union? He offered paid family leave. Before Trump, name a Republican that would seriously offer that. Did Democrats take it up? No.

    Trump offered a DACA-For-Wall deal, which would be a great compromise for items on both the far left and right. Didn't get done. So the #resistance can't act like it sits pretty, because it doesn't. Trump has tried to give fig leaves.
     
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    Therefore you favor the impeachment of Trump.
     
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    Well, see here's the thing: It is difficult for a President to make 100% of the people happy, under normal circumstances. But no matter what, we cannot oversee, much less govern over "the official channels."

    It's how the FBI can implant spies and yet give the excuse of either calling them an informant(didn't work), and then saying "Well, at least it wasn't SPECIFICALLY intentionally on them", as if we buy that excuse.

    The "official channels" cannot be governed by us, and directly threaten the Republic.
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is there about this situation you don't accept. It has been proven beyond doubt that the president either bribed or extorted a foreign power to put their thumb on our 2020 election by providing dirt on a political opponent. That is a drop dead certain violation of his oath of office, the Constitution, and abuse of power. Trump did this for Trump, not you or me.
     
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    Great post.
     
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    I bet you would prefer anyone else as speaker to Nancy Pelosi. I don't doubt that for a minute. I laugh every time people bring up Donald's DACA for WALL deal. How stupid did he think we were? His administration has been working day and night to find a judge willing to let him rescind on DACA so he can come back and get something from us in negociation for fixing what he wants to kill off and its going on three years now.
     
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    Yes, that's what a negotiation is....If you were adults about it, you'd realize that you'd get a big win by securing DACA immigrants(more than the original plan from the Obama Administration), even if it meant a wall.

    But you hate Donald Trump too personally to conceive that. On the contrary, I'm willing to meet a President Warren in the middle and accept a medicare-for-all if it's far cheaper than her original 52 trillion proposal.
     

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