Should the US Surrender to Putin Again in 2020?

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  1. Abqguardian

    Abqguardian Well-Known Member

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    Why blame the left? Because as soon as trump was elected we had protests and riots. We had lefty meltdowns acting like the world was over. I constantly see the left comparing trump to Hitler.

    The Democrats have been trying to impeach trump since day one. Theyve made facebook ads out to be some huge attack on our democracy. Theyve claimed trump has been a russian puppet. Theyve said anyone who dares to vote for him is a racist/sexist/traitor. Everything the left has done is nothing but bs and dividing

    May want to put down the kool aid and see reality
     
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  2. gringo

    gringo Well-Known Member Donor

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    anyone that voted for a pusssssy grabbing racist most likely is one of 2 things.
    A racist themselves
    Or
    So filled with hate they support a racist lunatic that is so ignorant and mentally crippled they accept the insane behavior

    Many of the rights policies I agree with
    But. I will not support a lunatic lying mentally unstable president

    there must be a better way to achieve the rights agenda that to create chaos and support a guy despite he could shoot someone walking down 5th Avenue and his supporters would love him even more

    kinda sad
     
  3. Abqguardian

    Abqguardian Well-Known Member

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    Yes, your beliefs arent whats dividing the US at all.

    Trump isnt a rascist, and the "proof" the left uses is bs. Theyve played the race card so much its useless.

    Adults vote on policies, and policy wise hell yes I'd vote for trump over hillary or most of the 2020 democratic candidates.
     
  4. Sandy Shanks

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    As expected, Trumpets have ignored this post. It is filled with very disturbing facts.

     
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    What a pathetic response. I take it you voted for Putin's puppet.
     
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    Fox News reports. "Former Trump Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland believes the impeachment hearings have been a "total waste of time" and the division in the country is exactly what Russia wants."

    "This is Putin's dream, to have everybody fighting with themselves in America," McFarland said on Thursday's episode of Fox News Radio's "Hemmer Time" podcast.

    She stressed to host Bill Hemmer that the most important part of last week's hearings was the testimony from former National Security Council aide Fiona Hill, who told lawmakers that Russian President Vladimir Putin's goal is to sow discord on both sides of the American political spectrum.

    "That is their goal, to pit us against each other, not necessarily to elect this guy or that guy, but to get us fighting amongst ourselves so that the country becomes dysfunctional, so that we start doubting our elections and we start losing faith in our own institutions," said McFarland, urging Americans to read Hill's full opening statement.

    "That's what Putin's all about. It's payback time for him. The Cold War ended because the Soviet economy collapsed. The Soviet Union collapsed. He wants to collapse American democracy."

    Thank you, Mr. President.
     
  7. garyd

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    No sorry I didn't vote for Obama who promised Putin more flexibility after re-election
     
  8. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is exactly what we did under Bush Sr. We effectively installed Yeltsin as president, and helped plunder what was left of Russia.

    Putin is rightfully seen as the leader who brought them back from the plunder by the US.
     
  9. Daggdag

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    He is seen by many in Russia as a dictator. He arrests or murders political opponents, journalists who write stories that don't praise him. and basically anyone he feels is a threat to his power. He is what Trump WISHES he could be.
     
  10. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Take a look in the mirror sir: you support the British and US efforts against Julian Assange.

    What you charge Putin with is exactly what we in the west do. When Putin imprisoned ***** Riot, he let them out in about 2 years. Under US Minimum Mandatory Sentences, mostly innocent offenders are held for decades.

    Look in the mirror sir.
     
  11. Sandy Shanks

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    Putin has to be enormously pleased with Trump. America is tearing itself apart.

    USA Today reports, "House Republicans drafted a report to counter Democratic arguments for the impeachment of President Donald Trump for his dealings with Ukraine.

    "Republicans wrote in a 123-page draft report that the evidence doesn’t support accusations of pressure or that Trump tried to cover up his conversation with Zelensky. Trump released a summary of the July 25 call on Sept. 25 and has argued that he was justified in encouraging an investigation because of widespread corruption in Ukraine."

    The only problem with that is that in his April 21 phone call and his July 25 phone call, Trump never mentioned general corruption in Ukraine, only the possible, unexplained corruption of Hunter Biden, his main rival's son. https://apnews.com/92fd8a4743e8447a8f8a7ec301ebe993

    The GOP report largely claims there is no evidence of Trump's crimes. “The evidence presented does not prove any of these Democrat allegations, and none of the Democrats’ witnesses testified to having evidence of bribery, extortion, or any high crime or misdemeanor,” said the draft report from Republican Reps. Devin Nunes of California on the Intelligence Committee, Jim Jordan of Ohio on the Oversight and Reform Committee and Michael McCaul of Texas on the Foreign Affairs Committee. "The fundamental disagreement apparent in the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry is a difference of world views and a discomfort with President Trump’s policy decisions."

    The last is a crock. The House Intelligence Committee has been very specific in its charges against Trump, and none of it has to do with Trump's policies.

    Also, Trump incriminated himself when he held up the military aid approved by Congress days before the July 25 call. Then, when Zelensky expressed interest in buying Javelins, Trump immediately replied, "I would like you to do us a favor, though."

    The GOP defense is ridiculous, although I agree with them in one instance. Trump did not say, "President Zelensky, I am going to ask your government to interfere in our Presidential election for my personal benefit, then I will bribe you to provide incentive."

    The report said there was nothing wrong with this request.

    "None of the Democrats’ witnesses testified to having evidence of bribery, extortion, or any high crime or misdemeanor.” That is a lie. Several witnesses corroborated the extortion, but they didn't have to. Trump's chief of staff admitted that the money was held up to get Zelensky to investigate what Trump wanted investigated. The he told the nation, "Get over it." The GOP report made no mention of Mulvaney.

    USA Today continues, "The report noted that Trump has a right to block witnesses and documents from being provided because the inquiry has been “an unfair, abusive, and partisan process, and does not constitute obstruction of a legitimate impeachment inquiry.'"

    Republicans say this a lot. There is only one problem. They never say why the impeachment inquiry "does not constitute obstruction of a legitimate impeachment inquiry." Neither does this report. Trump Republicans just say it, and we are supposed to believe it on their say so alone.

    This is a perfunctory defense of Trump because Nunes, Jordan, and McCall all know Trump is guilty as charged, and they are relying on Trump's flunkies in the Senate to exonerate him. Trump isn't even sending his lawyers to the hearings to defend him. Why bother? He is guilty.
     
  12. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Putin is laughing just as hard as the rest of the world as the idiot Trump makes a damn fool of himself with his Twitter machine.
     
  13. Hoosier8

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    LOL, the dem narrative to be sure and the new dem talking point. No evidence needed.
     
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    So democrats are doing Putin's bidding. Go figure.
     
  15. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    In the eyes of the deluded, everybody is doing Putin's bidding. To them, everything that happens bad is Putin's fault.

    THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING, THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING, FEAR FOR YOUR LIFE.
     
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