Adam Schiff obtains, releases personal phone records........

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  1. RP12

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    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44707.pdf

    Yep
     
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    What’s the crime!
     
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    The house is essentially the grand jury.
     
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    You're next.

    Nothing to hide? "Show me the man I'll show you the crime."

    Freakshow scary.
     
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    I bet you were.
     
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    See even you can not say it.
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Say what? That the house has subpoena power? I keep saying it and you won’t listen.
     
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    Your use of "essentially" says it all.
     
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    Presidents have used private lawyers for all sorts of actions throughout our history. But, suddenly, it's an issue. You have bought into the Orwellian Big Government cult that will not tolerate an outsider. I don't even think you realize it.
     
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    Which presidents lawyer ran foreign policy under a veil of attorney client privilege?
     
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    Its almost like the OLC exists as well which has differed from Presidents opinion.
     
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    Obama did not even use that..

    In the first two years of the Obama Administration, OLC at least twice reached an outcome with which Administration officials disagreed. In June 2011, New York Times reporter Charlie Savage revealed that President Obama took the unusual step of overruling the Office of Legal Counsel's advice with respect to the legality of military action in Libya. OLC's written opinions have historically been considered binding on the executive branch, unless they are overturned by the Attorney General or President.[7] In 2009, Attorney General Eric Holder overturned an unpublished OLC opinion that had concluded that a D.C. voting rights bill pending in Congress was unconstitutional.[8]

    Crickets from Schiff and Nadler at the time of course.
     
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    Wow, amazing, i sure would like to have the transcript of obama and iran chatting it up before bebop sent iran billions in cash in the middle of the night . Or Hillary phone calls as SOS while taking inbillions to the clinton foundation. That be a good read i bet.
     
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    I didn't say that tariffs are authoritarian. I said that the Executive circumventing the Constitution to pass them unilaterally is authoritarian.

    So many things wrong with this statement. First of all, no branch of the government can truly and fully delegate its powers to another. You need an amendment for that (look up the non-delegation doctrine some time; it is a cornerstone of Constitutional law). Now, one branch can enlist the help of another as its "mere agent" who acts under their strict guidelines. Which isn't what is going on here.

    The only laws that Congress has passed that give the President powers to inact tariffs are those that are not delegations of power, but ones enlisting his help to act as a "mere agent" of theirs and under their guidelines. Trump trough the guidelines out the window a long time ago.

    Lol, so it isn't authoritarian if no one stops you? That's insane.

    Not agreeing with the Constitution does not make circumventing it mere "policy." Try again.
     
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    I fail to see what that has to do with the presidents personal lawyer. Rudy is not OLC.
     
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    Since Democrats have given approval, it's time for Lindsey Graham to subpoena Schiff's phone records.
     
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    Didnt say he was.. Simply Obama did not even need a personal lawyer he just did it..
     
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    And his staff as one of them is the one who communicated with the top sekret WB!
     
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    Ok, and did it involve claiming attorney client privilege to avoid oversight? Otherwise I don’t see the relevance.
     
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    Of course you dont see the relevance.. Obama didnt even use that he just..... did.... it....

    And this was not delaying military aid this was military action.....Around the same time Panetta in front of congress informed them they no longer have any power over war as a coalition of nations ( which could be pretty much anything) game then legal basis... Not Congress...

    Where was Nadler and Schiff on that?

    I can go on all day.... this is all about the Dems not liking Trump and hating the fact that they lost to him.. Three years of this **** setting all sorts of precedents and you want more!
     
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    That is evident during this whole witch hunt... dems never care what rights they trample as long As they overturn a legitimate election. Thats why youmust not play fair with them , they dont care what or how they win , they just must win at all costs. They will not stand for a great America , they will not stop till they destroy this country . Fact.
     
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    "I said that the Executive circumventing the Constitution to pass them unilaterally is authoritarian."


    It looks like you are intentionally diverting blame, from where it belongs, in order to unjustifiably attack Trump.

    "So many things wrong with this statement. First of all, no branch of the government can truly and fully delegate its powers to another. You need an amendment for that (look up the non-delegation doctrine some time; it is a cornerstone of Constitutional law). Now, one branch can enlist the help of another as its "mere agent" who acts under their strict guidelines. Which isn't what is going on here."

    Yet Congress has an easy remedy. They can reclaim their role. Iv they don't have the votes, they can go to court and argue that their own legislation is unconstitutional.

    "The only laws that Congress has passed that give the President powers to inact tariffs are those that are not delegations of power, but ones enlisting his help to act as a "mere agent" of theirs and under their guidelines. Trump trough the guidelines out the window a long time ago."


    Congress can reclaim their authority.

    "Lol, so it isn't authoritarian if no one stops you? That's insane."

    If the President is abusing the powers of his office, Congress or the Court can stop him. Easy peasy. If they don't, it's a pretty strong indication that they disagree with you.

    "Not agreeing with the Constitution does not make circumventing it mere "policy." Try again."

    Government has usurped uncountable powers which are not granted them by our Constitution. That Congress has deferred much of their mandated role to the President and the Courts, is not the fault of the President.

    Again, just because you oppose an action that Congress has delegated to the President, doesn't make it authoritarian. It makes it the exercision of a normal duty.
     
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    And remember justice Scalia thought he was being spied on . No doubt , dirty dems spy on everyone. There are never any consequences .
     
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    They unmasked hundreds of rivals during Obama's reign. Samantha Powers, Obama's Ambassador to the UN, had her user accessed hundreds of times to unmask people, she claimed someone else illegally hacked her user, and nothing came of it. WTF is going on with these Democrats?
     
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    It looks like you are intentionally diverting blame from where it belongs. These are his actions. Any world where it is "unjustifiable" to criticize someone for their own actions, their own decisions is a world where there is no such thing as responsibility, where no one bears any blame for anything.

    The assumption behind this "defense" has already been dismanteled, and your characterization of their legislation is inaccurate.

    Already addressed.

    Already addressed.

    When he takes advantage of it, it is. His action. HIs decision. His abuse. His responsibility. You want to blame Congress TOO, then fine, but it is insane to claim the President has no "fault" when it comes to his own actions and decisions.

    There is no evidence that Congress has come to the opposite decision, and I'll happily reference (and have even already eluded to) the SC supporting me on this one. Just because you oppose part of the Constitution, yadda yadda yadda. It is not an exercise of normal duty to betray one's oath of office and circumvent the law of the land. Not sure why you would think it is, but I understand how such assumptions may be necessary to excuse authoritarian overreach.
     

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