The purpose of Impeachment.

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  1. mitchscove

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    None had first hand knowledge of anything. They relied on transcripts strategically edited by the most corrupt POS on the planet.
     
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    Minor correction. I don't think Turley is Republican. He stated he disagrees with a lot of Trump's policies and did not vote for him.
     
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    Yep. Cancelled missile defense to make Vladimir happy and unilaterally destroyed our nuclear deterrent to make Vladi smile.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Democrats think they smell blood. There’s no talking reason with them on normal days, much less when they’re in a rabid frenzy like now.
     
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    TheGreatSatan Banned

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    I remember all that.

    And I remember Obama saying something like "1984 called, wants it's cold war back", which was my joke :twisted:
     
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    There are very few places that believe that crap and none of them are going to get you a win in 2020.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He’s not a Republican, but he was asked to be there by the Republicans.
     
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    Never hurts to try.

    That's what a cold call salesman would say.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Because he is honest and rational as opposed to arrogant and bordline isane.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The good old "Reset Days," before the invasion of Ukraine. Bush & The Neocons were trying to sell a missile defense system for Eastern Europe to protect them (and the Russians, supposedly) from Iranian launched nuclear missiles, when and if ever that occurred. Putin didn't buy it, perhaps thinking, didn't Khrushchev try something similar in Cuba, and viewed the sites as a threat to Russia. Obama agreed and was against the deployment. Obama changed his mind after Ukraine and Moscow sponsored assassinations of Putin political opponents and journalists. I believe such a site was built in Poland, and possibly in Hungry. A government change in the Czech Republic led to a change in policy against such a site there.
     
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    a) All Democrats weren't "screaming impeachment from day one." b) No...if Trump could take it to the Courts, he'd do it. Impeachment is the sole prerogative of the House of Representatives, followed by the Senate trial. If Articles of Impeachment are passed by the House, they'll be referred to the Senate. The Senate will then ask Chief Justice John Roberts to preside, with the Senate seated as "a jury." If two-thirds of those present vote to convict, the President is removed from office.
    c) Incidentally...the "Ukrainian Affair" had not occurred at the time of the election in 2016...ergo it was impossible for the electorate to judge that particular transgression. Impeachment may be for anything the House, by a simple majority, decides is a "crime against the people," which is basically what a high crime and misdemeanor is. There is no appeal. You could argue that it may become a routine way of removing President's on a partisan basis...but so what? The high bar of 2/3rds of the Senate present makes it difficult to achieve conviction and removal. And, who knows? Maybe its frequency will lead the respective parties to clean up their acts and better vet their presidential candidates?
     
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    And to get rid of a crook who trashes the constitution, so I guess the dems have that goin' for 'em.
     
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    Dems have to impeach to keep their voter base. The dems field of candidates is way too white now.
     
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    b) You still don't understand how it works. Trump doesn't take the WH to the court to force the WH to reply to subpoenas.
    c) What transgression? The dem clown show narrative without proof?

    Even now one dem rep has signaled he would not vote for impeachment unless he sees something compelling. That means the partisan vote will not be unanimous and the vote against will be the only bipartisan part.
     
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    You can dismiss all the damning testimony if you need to.

    Trump clearly must hide as much of the truth as he can. Thus, his refusal to testify under oath, his gagging as many witnesses in the know from doing so as he can, and his concealing relevant documents that have also been subpoenaed.

    Hiding the truth is essential for Trump, the hysterical self-righteous pose, desperate diversions, vicious attacks on dedicated public servants, and orchestrated outrage being merely a self-indulgence - and for entertainment value.

    Mulvaney, Bolton, McGahn, Pompeo, Perry, Giuliani, Parnas and Fruman are obviously among those who could further the pursuit of truth by spilling the beans.. They must be kept quiet if justice is to be evaded.
     
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    I don't think anything Trump has done would shock the framers nearly as much as our laws against guns and weed.
     
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    I asked 2 questions, base oyour statements:

    So... the President cannot veto a spending bill without challenging the power of the purse and thus committing an impeachable offense?
    The President must be impeached for doing so?

    I appreciate your answer in advance.
     
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    FDR, Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, and Obama were worse then Trump. Where were you with your torch and pitchfork when the Dems behaved badly? Oh, that’s right. You’re a hypocrite.
     
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    Trump isn't answering the Congressional subpoenas regarding the impeachment inquiry. My point was that if he could go to the Courts and obtain an order abolishing the impeachment inquiry, he would do it.
     
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    "Oh, yeah!
    Well, what about ...?"

    Fleeing to your hyper-partisan, imaginary past affords no refuge.

    It is essential for Trump not to testify under oath, and to gag every insider who can provide additional information, and to hide as much documentation as he can from those seeking to expose the truth.

    The cry baby whining, feigned indignation, and lashing out irrationally is to obfuscate and divert, a consequence of an inability to contrive a credible defense.

     
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    "...a crime supported by facts"???

    That doesn't even mean anything. The accusation that Trump has committed high crimes is supported by all the evidence that exists. Absolutely nothing points to the contrary. Most of those high crimes just happen to also be crimes. But that is just coincidental. His actions, as crimes will be dealt with in the court system with whatever standards the court system demands. His actions, as high crimes, are being dealt with in Congress. As the Constitution demands.
     
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    Less than a year from now, Trump will be re-elected. And libs will be impeaching him again.
     
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    Not so excellent IMO. What is a high crime - obviously not a speeding ticket. Trump didn't shoot anyone.

    Did he bribe someone ? Presidents ask favors of foreign heads of state on a regular basis - If Biden was involved in a conspiracy - this should be investigated. Our nation works with other nations on criminal matters all the time.

    Presidents asking for favors from heads of state is normal- actions which could often be viewed as helping to perpetuate their power in one form or another.
     
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    True believers, in their worship of their degenerate deity, pleasure themselves with such messianic visions.

    In reality, as a practical matter, it is essential for Trump not to testify under oath, gag every insider who can provide additional information, and hide as much documentation as he can from those seeking to expose the truth.

    Revelation of truth is his greatest threat.
     
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    Poor nutty Nancy just said we have to impeach Trump to save civilization as we know it.
     
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